hi ,jonathan.
jonathan do not need to respond to this post, but let me tell you one thing 
friend.
this is why I admire you and consider you the smartest blind in the world 
you have an open mind, and think with a universal philosophy.
and still respect you more because you did not fear anything or anyone and 
speak what 's on your mind without fear of anything.
and you know why you fear not, because you're a super intelligent, autonomous, 
and not need favors from anyone else. blinds all the world knows you, admire 
you and respect you.
and if they do it is because you have become a super independent person and 
think with your own head without being forced to think about how others want or 
obligate you.
jonathan know what makes me most disappointed with some people?
is why they are not good or even with them.
most people who continue to defend the apple, have the perfect idea that apple 
or department accessibility is missing with them and with tremendous 
irresponsibility in their line of duty.
this may not be acceptable for a company like Apple that is super millionaire 
and has more than enough money to have a well organized structure so that 
everything works as required for a company with this status.
there may be several reasons for these failures are happening, but one thing 
I'm sure and I know perfectly well that everyone knows.
if we blind in our work we are irresponsible, our boss will call us the 
responsibility of duty and we are penalized and fired.
so why we have to feel inferior and always be forever grateful to anyone who is 
paid very well to be responsible in your work?
do we have to conform blind us with our disabilities and moreover stay in debt 
forever with people who have a duty to be responsible in their jobs and are not?
why the hell I'm bound to thank a company or person just because I'm blind and 
they are not blind and why they are superior to me and I have to subject myself 
to favors that think make me? ...
so if I have to be responsible in my work, and contribute to society with my 
taxes, for their well-being, why I do not have the equal rights to them?
I'm independent and do not depend on the apple or the apple does me favors to 
me and paid dearly for having a product from apple and have the right to demand 
in my condition, what others require in their condition.
and I do not speak only in the apple, but also speak to any other company.
we must  stop thinking that we should be eternally grateful to anyone who has a 
duty to serve in the rights which assist us.
and do not come to me with a conversation I do not know the politics of apple 
and do not know how is your philosophy as a company, because neither am nor 
want to know.
and to be even more real, I'm more than sure that nobody knows.
so do not assume the role of diplomats because the apple does not need you for 
anything.
I struggled to write perfectly in English when I reported two bugs in the voice 
over the apple safari, and have not seen my request is fulfilled as well as all 
of you who did not see it your be served.
think this is normal? think we will spend the rest of life to report errors to 
apple and do not see our efforts rewarded?
friends this is already past the apple takes years to fix bugs and neither 
dropper they are fixed.
I sometimes I'm thinking about something that I can never understand.
apple could be the reign of accessibility roducts in their business because 
they have everything to make it happen.. if liability was rule number 1 and 
support voice over was a much more serious matter for them, there would be no 
more blind to use windows.
yes I am an Apple user, the right or wrong I am.
and you know why I am?
because I love this system and I love the voice over and I know I could be much 
happier than we are.
apple could be the biggest company in the world and is proud to be a leader in 
the accessibility market.
and I never can understand why they do not care about that.
money, they have lots of money
because they do not hire more people to increase productivity in a sector that 
is missing in this case the Department of accessibility?
yes I say this because it is one of the reasons that excuse for many people.
but for me nothing can excuse a company with the Status of apple and the more 
solid with super strong bases in the financial aspect.
because they do not want to dominate the market in the world of accessibility?
they know it was just having the will to do and it was all of them.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?
this is what I can not understand my friends.
they have everything to make this more possible and do not want it.
much smaller companies that can not compare with the apple, have a great 
ambition to achieve always reach farther, and with few possessions produce more 
than the apple.
and they just create a product for a system that is not native to them.
ie, work for the company that we all know.
I'll never understand it unless someday apple change your ideologys.
more would have to talk to you, but I 'm stay for here  because my English is 
very weak and then I'm feel frustrated I can not answer how Iwanted people who 
respond to my messages.

sorry for my bad inglish.
cheers.
No dia 17/12/2013, às 15:14, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> escreveu:

> I do wonder if someone critical to do with Apple Accessibility has left or 
> been moved elsewhere. There are ongoing issues not just with Mavericks, but 
> with iOS 7 as well, and while all software has bugs, some of these issues are 
> quite significant in terms of productivity.
> I still think on mobile devices, Apple is offering the best experience out 
> there right now, but i applaud the way Google's accessibility team engages 
> with our community in a much more transparent way. I don't know whether bugs 
> that are being reported are being ignored or just not being accorded a high 
> enough priority to have them make the cut before OS builds are released, but 
> something with Apple's quality control when it comes to accessibility has 
> gone wrong..
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
> On 17/12/2013, at 8:22 pm, Mario Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> yes jonathan you're right.
>> What a big disappointment.
>> most errors were not corrected.
>> a month and a few days waiting for good news, and at the end of waiting 
>> apple's accessibility team gives us a handful of nothing.
>> I am completely disappointed with apple.
>> apple is worse than freedoms.
>> god what is wrong with apple's accessibility team? ... no point reporting 
>> bugs, because the team doesn't listen to anyone and became a group of 
>> irresponsible people.
>> steve jobs please back from heaven to us.
>> cheers.
>> No dia 16/12/2013, às 23:24, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> escreveu:
>> 
>>> Hi all, well after waiting patiently for the 10.9.1 update, it seems quite 
>>> disappointing to the extent that I even went into  "About this Mac" to make 
>>> sure I was really running the update.
>>> In Mil, the number of messages in a conversation is still spoken last, 
>>> meaning if you have preview turned on, you have to sit through a lot to 
>>> hear that critical information.
>>> The VO-J bug in mail, where sometimes you press it and you're not placed in 
>>> the body of a message, is still present for me.
>>> I also continue to find that command-Tabbing from Fusion into another 
>>> application takes a very long time, which it didn't do in Mountain Lion.
>>> They claim to have specifically fixed some Vo issues, but these major 
>>> productivity hits, for me, remain in this update.
>>> Jonathan
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