Yup sure have Dave.
On 12/17/2013 19:18, David Tanner wrote:
Oh, you forgot how many times FS will deny that they are aware of a
problem with their software to the bitter end regardless how many
times you prove it to them. Anyone ever experience the famous Jaws
remark "focus lost"?
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com
<mailto:richr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I’m about to really annoy the moderators but, thanks Teresa for such
a well-reasoned post. One thing to keep in mind is, Freedom
Scientific doesn’t design computers, nor do they design operating
systems. They design a screen reader that supports an operating
system whose developers aren’t all that interested in accessibility.
Yes, there are always problems when you’re an early adopter of a new
operating system, and yes, there are times when I’m forced to use
Windows because there is no Mac software that meets my specific
needs. However, overall, VoiceOver is stable, reliable, and, I’m not
paying $200 or more just to upgrade the screen reader, let alone the
operating system!
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Teresa Cochran
<vegaspipistre...@gmail.com <mailto:vegaspipistre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, alll,
I wasn't going to post to this thread, but I've been thinking about
this issue of accessibility. When I decided to switch to a Mac, I
knew I had to consider the fact that buying a product off the shelf
was going to mean risking some accessibility features. Maybe
mainstream developers are sometimes not aware of how screen-readers
work on a visceral level. Maybe accessibility will not be as much a
priority in this case as it would be for an entity like Freedom
Scientific. However, having tried Linuxx and using various
screen-readers and desktops on that platform, I still find that
Voiceover is far more stable and accessible than Orca screen-reader,
for example. I still explore and use various platforms, and believe
me, I've seen my share of bugs. So this update for Mac oSX is
nothing to me. It has some annoyances for sure, but imagine if it
shut itself off every five minutes or restarted the OS or just plain
didn't read a good number of apps.
Also, how much are we paying for these OS updates? How much did we
pay for this last full upgrade? Imagine having to pay an upgrade fee
every time you wanted to update just the screen-reader alone.
So I think that before one uses software extensively, one has to
consider some factors. Is this something I want to risk my
productivity on? If not, should I stay with what i know? Do I like
to learn new things, and how tolerant am I of bugs in software? How
much hand-holding do I need? If I buy a product off the shelf, can I
work around the accessibility glitches that are probably going to
rear their ugly heads? If not, maybe I should consider getting
something exclusively blind-friendly if I don't want to put up with
accessibility issues.
In short, I really think Apple is doing a fantastic job,
considering. And yes, I would have higher expectations of a Freedom
Scientific or Humanware.
Just my two bits of currency. :)
Teresa
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Buddy Brannan wrote:
BTW, for those who think that Tim Cook just doesn’t give two s**ts
about accessibility, this is probably well worn a view. Be cynical
and say it’s just Tim spewing a line or whatever you like, but I
kind of don’t get that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEafGCf-kw
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