Hi, April,

It sounds like you very possibly could very much benefit from individual 
instruction. If you have an Apple Store in your area, you might find out if the 
folks there can refer you to someone. Or you can call Apple’s accessibility 
number for referrals. I am not saying this because we don’t want to help you. 
I’m thinking that it’s sort of like the person who constantly gets lost and 
never remembers how the route is corrected, because each error is different. 
Not to mention that it’s a fairly steep learning curve, and it’s always 
beneficial to have a consistent method of doing things, especially as a 
beginner.

I don’t know where you’re located, but here’s the Apple accessibility number:
1-877-204-3930 US only.

Also, I’m sure there are folks on this list who can give one-on-one instruction 
for using the Mac.

this is just a suggestion.

HtH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:34 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back 
> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out 
> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks.  I know it's incorrect.  
> I haven't found directions anywhere.  I just have multiple lists of commands, 
> and no idea what order to put them in.  It's a giant jigsaw puzzle.  I try 
> what you suggest.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> April
> .
> 
> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote:
> April,
> 
> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for 
> nothing.  Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get 
> out of Safari.  This is quite frankly, unnecessary.  Also, the procedure you 
> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect.
> 
> First, leave Voice OVer on.  DO, NOT, turn it off.
> 
> Here’s how to get in to book marks.
> 
> 1.  Open Safari.
> 
> 2.  Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure.
> 
> 3.  Now, press b for book marks.
> 
> 4.  Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark 
> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it.
> 
> Want to edit your book Marks?
> 
> Do this.
> 
> 1.  Open safari.
> 
> 2.  Press Cmd+Option+b.  That gets you in to the edit book marks window.
> 
> You should know enough by now to take it from there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I opened Safari.
>> I turned VoiceOver on.
>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks.
>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and 
>> a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking.
>> 
>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again.
>> 
>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an 
>> actual  bookmark.  The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it 
>> highlighted and wanted to change it.  Huh?
>> 
>> So, I closed and turned it all off again.  
>> 
>> Then, I opened Safari back up.  Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver 
>> back on.  Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content.  At 
>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and 
>> it will then work.
>> 
>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today.
>> 
>> Back to writing.
>> 
>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random 
>> list.
>> 
>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have:
>> Step 1:  Open Safari
>> Step 2:  Command, F5 to start VoiceOver
>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks.  And yet 
>> it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks.  It did once.
>> 
>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting?  I 
>> can't comprehend low tones.
>> 
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