Hello. I have sent you an email off list regarding your mac. Thanks. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Regina, > > I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, when > I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, the > screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a good > way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will need > full time before long. > > I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all the > corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to guess > how the rest goes together > > I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And they > are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably useless > to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the command is for > if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to me? > > I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. > > Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to close > everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe Sarai > sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made the layout > of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time Machine was, > though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you like. I think > perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you should focus on > mail and get used to getting into it and reading and writing email until you > are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only starting the machine and > getting on the desktop which has another name I forgot. Don't try to learn > all commands at once. Pick something and become really reliable with it. What > I am learning is that a lot of times the commands will be the same in > different places and apps. By the way, I wear hearing aids and have had to > tweak my voices to find something I can understand. I also don't have a very > good memory so little chunks of info is all I can handle until cemented into > long term memory. I thought the Mac was very different from iPhone, but I am > finding there is a lot of similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will > not let it defeat me. Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a > while to change operating systems. However, we can do this! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before > I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use > a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at > least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on > these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people > out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. > I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever > duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >>> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >>> it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1: Open Safari >>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>> once. >>> >>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? 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