Hi Phil, Yes I have attempted to complete the tutorial three times. I can't get VoiceOver to work in it either. It beeps at me.
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:21:55 PM UTC-5, phil halton wrote: > > have you tried to learn VoiceOver basics by opening the VoiceOver help > menu and selecting the quick start tutorial? Once you've worked through > that tutorial you can read through the getting started guide? > Me thinks you're making it far more complicated than it is. Honestly, > start at the beginning, learn VO basics by taking the quick start tutorial, > then move on to reading systematically through the getting started guide > which is essentially a webpage in Safari that covers every aspect of > VoiceOver - it's really quite thorough and easy to read. > > The best advice I ever got when I first started learning to use a mac was > to forget everything I thought I knew and just start at the beginning. > Also, take a deep breathe and keep things simple - it's not so hard if > people like me and others here can master it, then so can you. > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com<javascript:>> > wrote: > > Hi Regina, > > I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, > when I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, > the screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a > good way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will > need full time before long. > > I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all > the corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to > guess how the rest goes together > > I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And > they are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably > useless to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the > command is for if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to > me? > > I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. > > Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: >> >> April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to >> close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe >> Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made >> the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time >> Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you >> like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you >> should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and >> writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only >> starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I >> forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become >> really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the >> commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear >> hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can >> understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info >> is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac >> was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of >> similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. >> Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change >> operating systems. However, we can do this! >> >> >> reggie and Allegra >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still >> have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, >> I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to >> read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn >> this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me >> to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain >> some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand >> half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad >> there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order >> to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need >> it written to ever duplicate it. >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why >>> you're taking it. >>> >>> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever >>> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >>> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >>> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >>> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >>> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >>> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> April >>> . >>> >>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>>> >>>> April, >>>> >>>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you >>>> get >>>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>>> >>>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>>> >>>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>>> >>>> 1. Open Safari. >>>> >>>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>>> >>>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>>> >>>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book >>>> mark folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>>> >>>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>>> >>>> Do this. >>>> >>>> 1. Open safari. >>>> >>>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>>> >>>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>> blind built-in! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 >>>> user! >>>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I opened Safari. >>>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it >>>> crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>>> >>>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>>> >>>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar >>>> to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>>> >>>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>>> >>>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >>>> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >>>> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >>>> read to me, and it will then work. >>>> >>>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>>> >>>> Back to writing. >>>> >>>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a >>>> random list. >>>> >>>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>>> Step 1: Open Safari >>>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. >>>> And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It >>>> did once. >>>> >>>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps >>>> interrupting? 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