Yes the pages are hard to navigate on the mac.
On Feb 14, 2014, at 8:01 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> no, I am not. Some of their website pages are really difficult to navigate on 
> a mac.
> 
> Do you have the subscribe address?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Are you actually on googles accessibility list?
>> I am sure those on the list would appreciate knowing about the problem.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, eric oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> in Basic html, it isn't there. I can't even get there in standard mode (too 
>>> many secondary navigation areas and then being kicked back to the top). 
>>> Even the web item rotor for OS X (voiceover) doesn't function correctly in 
>>> standard html mode. I have to try in Item chooser and then voiceover 
>>> crashes because there are too many elements in the browser to process. THis 
>>> last I gleaned from reading the console system messages.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 4:15 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that 
>>>> time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 23:49, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> unfortunately,
>>>>> the standard view gets very confusing on Safari in OS X. Also, I can't 
>>>>> seem to get into settings from there and a lot of the features available 
>>>>> in standard view are simply not visible in basic html mode. I have sent 
>>>>> emails to googles support team until I am blue in the face and the 
>>>>> problem still has not been fixed. what do I have to do? Sue these guys 
>>>>> just to get their attention? Unlike a lot of others in the US., I am not 
>>>>> one to file a suit at the drop of a hat (its far too much work and stress 
>>>>> for any beneficial payoff).
>>>>> 
>>>>> -eric
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Chris H wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David and all I cannot find this setting. Do I need to be using the 
>>>>>> standard view to see this setting?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2014 10:04, David Chittenden wrote:
>>>>>>> You need to go into Gmail preferences on the Gmail website and change 
>>>>>>> the archive permanently deleted items to unselected. The default is for 
>>>>>>> this to be selected.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 21:16, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> hmmm. Every time I have tried to permanently delete something from 
>>>>>>>> GMAIL, it always comes back (my trash folder has well over 10,000 
>>>>>>>> entries in it right now). I use imap here with mail.app so that my 
>>>>>>>> emails that I want aren't stored locally.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How do you get gmail to permanently delete something and actually not 
>>>>>>>> have it remain stored in all mail )or anywhere else) without having to 
>>>>>>>> use the web interface?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No unfortunately I permanently deleted them from the gmail. They 
>>>>>>>>> should be in all mail but are gone. I didn't delete anything from all 
>>>>>>>>> mail just permanently deleted my sent and trash folders. Praying that 
>>>>>>>>> a Time Machine restore might still have them, as they should but 
>>>>>>>>> can't figure out time machine.
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:05 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> they are probably either still in all mail or over in trash. they 
>>>>>>>>>> can be moved from folder to folder pretty easily. So long as it 
>>>>>>>>>> hasn't been 30 days since you last deleted anything, they should 
>>>>>>>>>> still be there.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh God, I think I just realized why my messages are missing in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> folders where I had everything labeled/archived. I deleted 
>>>>>>>>>>> permanently in gmail all my sent messages as there was 10,000 and I 
>>>>>>>>>>> am always emailing myself stuff and then apply a label and put the 
>>>>>>>>>>> email in the proper folder. Phone numbers account log ins. Am I 
>>>>>>>>>>> assuming correctly that the deleting of the sent mail folder also 
>>>>>>>>>>> overrode the label and folder I had moved the message in to? If 
>>>>>>>>>>> this is the case I am totally screwed as I had a ton of stuff 
>>>>>>>>>>> saved. If this is the case then this gmail problem with Mavericks 
>>>>>>>>>>> totally screwed me. Not sure why an email that I moved to folder a 
>>>>>>>>>>> placed a label on it would only be in the sent mail folder, you 
>>>>>>>>>>> would think placing a label on it or archiving it to a folder in 
>>>>>>>>>>> gmail whatever they want to call it would take it out of the sent 
>>>>>>>>>>> mail folder. Can someone let me know if I totally screwed myself by 
>>>>>>>>>>> deleting the thousands of messages in the sent mail folder. I hope 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am wrong,
>>>>>> but considering I checked the gmail app on the iPhone and the messages I 
>>>>>> labeled and archived are gone from there to, I think I screwed myself.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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