>>>>> "Chuq" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Chuq> my current thought on that is: Chuq> http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/001447.html My now-ancient thought on this is http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Tools/Attitude/ Warning, it swears like a bounce. Chuq> so my policy is now simple: if you bounce it back, I'll Chuq> treat it like a bounce. If it has the word "spam" in it Chuq> anywhere, it'll be treated like a complaint against my Chuq> server, and suffer immediate unsubscription. Thank you for taking point on this. I get so tired of the "spam fighters" who produce more unwanted mail than they receive! Chuq> and I suggest Mailman as a package take that approach, if we Chuq> want to have any hope of convincing admins to get their Chuq> bleeding act together. If you want that to get anywhere, you're going to have to sharpen up the language, though. Many users have very little power over their ISP and strong reason not to change (their ISP also provides their income). List admins tend to sympathize with their subscribers. Yes, we need to take the long view, but we don't want to go destroying villages to save them, either. Also, it's not really the mail admins. I know a few "incompetent" admins, but really they're just average dudes who lack the time. They _must_ cut down the spam and virus flow, so they choose a package that has some reputation for doing just that, install it, and dismiss the occasional complaint about excessive bounces or lost mail due to false positives as cranks and casualties of war. IMO, it's not the admins we need to punish, it's the _scanner distributors_ who are providing software that by factory default pollutes the whole 'net. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org