OK Brian, so your answers to my questions are:
"I have a profit motive to encourage MM3 adoption"
... and ...
"I'm baffled that all the people on the Mailman *2* discussion list
are not scrambling to adopt MM3"
Have I got that about right?
For the record, I have enjoyed exemplary support from all three of my
"cheap budget hosts" whenever I've had an issue. And yes, one of them
is A2.
I will sign off of this thread by pointing out that your first
contribution to it was a reply to my posting supporting Jim's generous
offer to help support the MM2 community, in which you stridently
attempted to convince us to convert over to MM3 instead.
Respectfully, we decline.
-Chip-
On 8/26/2020 11:17 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
On 8/26/20 10:29 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
What I don't understand is your vitriolic objection to Jim's offer.
How is that any skin off your nose? Do you see this as a zero-sum
game in which every MM2 instance that doesn't "upgrade" is a threat
to MM3? If it's as superior as you claim, there should be a
thunderous stampede to adopt MM3. The bazaar will speak
eloquently. What, exactly, is the cock you have in this pit?
Bottom Line: As long as there are inexpensive cPanel hosts running
Mailman 2, *I have no choice*. So I greatly appreciate Jim's
offer to pick up the burden and allow Mark to move on.
I watched for years how cheap budget hosts provided crap support for
the software that they hosted. I watched Mark for years take on that
extra burden of making up for their crap support because of it via
the old MM2 user list.
I am sure Mark has moved on from Mailman 2, at least he has said
that on numerous occasions. It is you folks that won't let him. You
want to keep using MM2 and you want the developers to keep
supporting it. That pressure can/does hinder the work on Mailman 3.
I really did not like Jim's comment and that set me off:
"I hate to say this, but I'm sensing an exclusivity in your and
Mark's comments. Is Mailman a open source project or is it an
exclusive club?"
I really don't like your comments either towards me in the quote
above and the way you mis-represented Mailman 3 in your reply to
Odhiambo. I offer shared and dedicated environments for Mailman 3
and none of my clients have to worry about the complexities of
Mailman 3 at all. I didn't like the way Carl quoted an old piece of
information and when he was corrected, proceeded to dig in his
heels. I didn't like a lurker who never posted to any Mailman list
before, suddenly come out of the woodwork to mock me on the use of
"long life"
By the way there is always a choice. I have been offering Mailman 3
shared list hosting for almost 2 years now. It's that few extra
dollars a month that is a budget breakers for cheap host users. Oh
well.
I know now that none of you have any intention of using or
supporting Mailman 3. My pro MM3 comments have been mocked, ignored,
and discarded. Ok. Fine. I think none of you has shown any respect
or appreciation in the work that has been done to propel the Mailman
project into the modern web development world. That shows that all
you really care about is your wallets and how much you may have to
work to move your lists to a Mailman 3 environment. This isn't about
Mailman at all. It's about how can have a mailing list and stay
using a cheap budget host. For Jim? Well I don't really care why he
doesn't use Mailman 3. I think his claims about wanting to support
Mailman is a joke. If he really wanted to support the Mailman
project, then he would throw his weight behind Mailman 3.
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