On 2022-10-18 14:29, Mark Sapiro wrote:

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This is expected. See the comment in the code beginning at 
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py#L201
 for why we do this.

Got it. Thank you.

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# ps -fAww |grep python
root       432     1  0 00:36 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 
/usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start
list       745     1  0 00:38 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
list       751   745  2 00:38 ?        00:00:04 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
nobody     913   911  0 00:40 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph
root       921   908  0 00:40 pts/0    00:00:00 grep python


There should be more. Where are ArchRunner, BounceRunner, CommandRunner, 
IncomingRunner, NewsRunner, VirginRunner and RetryRunner? Did you edit them out?

What does `ps -fwwu list` show?


I hadn't edited then out, but when I ran "ps -fAww |grep python" again just 
now, they're all present now.
Good to know that all those are supposed to be there (in case there's a "next 
time").
And "ps -fwwu list" shows the same.


# ps -fAww |grep python
root       432     1  0 00:36 ?        00:00:20 /usr/bin/python3 
/usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start
nobody    5348  5343  0 03:45 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph
list      5407     1  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
list      5408  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
list      5409  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
list      5410  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
list      5411  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
list      5412  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
list      5413  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
list      5414  5407  0 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
list      5415  5407  1 03:47 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
root      5422  5416  0 03:47 pts/0    00:00:00 grep python

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/////// DID THAT PID FILE REAPPEAR?
# find / -type f -iname "mailman.pid"
/////// NO RESULT. ... shrug ...


I suspect an issue with the Debian/Ubuntu package. What is the content of 
/etc/systemd/system/mailman.service?

# cd /etc/systemd/system/
# ls -la
... mailman-qrunner.service -> /lib/systemd/system/mailman.service


# cat /lib/systemd/system/mailman.service
[Unit]
Description=Mailman Master Queue Runner
After=network.target

[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid
ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
ExecReload=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart
Restart=always
RestartSec=3s
RestartPreventExitStatus=1

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
Alias=mailman-qrunner.service


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It seems that it was looking for the PID file in "/run/mailman/mailman.pid" (below) and 
the above says it lives at "/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid"

Oct 18 00:30:13 syd systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file 
/run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory

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