> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> wrote: > > On 03/24/2017 09:44 PM, John Levine wrote: >> >> Sure, but the arguments we're seeing at ICANN are way beyond >> reasonable. Everyone thinks it's important to protect the personal >> information of people, but most domains are not registered by people. > > That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. How many of those are registered by people > who didn't want their home address publicly listed? > > >> There's also a bizarre insistence that cybercrime is not a big problem >> and WHOIS is not useful to fight it. > > When you paint things black and white and don't provide numbers, it's easy to > pretend whatever you want. The privacy side is hearing "we want to punish > everyone for the sins of a few." The anti-abuse side hears "we want to throw > the baby out with the bathwater.”
Nope. The anti-abuse ‘side’ IS the privacy side. I fight on behalf of end-user abuse every single minute of the working day, for hundreds of millions of users at $company, dealing with thousands of privacy-violating attacks every hour. > There's probably a middle ground, but without numbers, it's not even clear in > which direction the "middle" is. > > How many domains are registered by individuals? How many use "private > registration"? How many provide false information to hide their real info? > How many use their work address for the same reason? > > How many people are spammed from having their email address listed? How many > get scammed by the domain-renewal scumbags? I’ve had domains since the 90s, rarely, in my experience, and certainly an infinitesimally smaller number than the spam perpetrated by throw-away domains with crap in the WHOIS (which, by the way, tends to be actionable in one way or another, despite it being fake). > How many people have been harassed at home for something they wrote on a > blog? Has anyone been killed? Certainly they have. what does that have to do with WHOIS? Blogs, in their vast majority are hosted at places like Blogger. > For the other perspective, what sort of abuse is stopped? seriously? You are seriously asking this? If so … Phishing Threat to human life Spam DDoS I could go on … > How much does it cost? How much does what cost? > How many scams, threats, etc. are avoided as a result Thousands. tens of thousands, perhaps even, no, not perhaps. BILLIONS. yes really) See above. > and how do those numbers compare to the ones for the "privacy" side? Can > someone list the ways that the WHOIS data is used for good? See above. I live in the WHOIS data 6 of every 8 hours I work. > Make it impossible for people to use their imaginations, give them numbers. I cannot provide specific numbers due to a strict NDA. you can believe me, or not. your call, but I speak the truth. > > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
