On 7 August 2017 at 17:27, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aa...@heyaaron.com> wrote:
> It exists: http://rfc-clueless.org/   :)

I confirm it doesn't work: http://rfc-clueless.org/lookup/alice.it
I submitted it to the postmaster last time I didn't get an answer...
it shown as pending for a while and then disappeared.
Still I have to find someone that ever received an answer after
writing to their postmaster@ address.

Stefano

--
Stefano Bagnara
Apache James/jDKIM/jSPF
VOXmail/Mosaico.io/VoidLabs

>
> -A
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Stefano Bagnara <mai...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Hi Lindani,
>>
>> we're an italian ESP and we never had success contacting Alice.it postmaster.
>> Alice.it is the freemail domain of the biggest telecom operator in
>> italy (Telecom Italia, now named TIM).
>>
>> We never had major deliverability issues (blocks/junking) there, but
>> sometimes their server are very slow (don't know if it is throttling
>> or simply overload) and queues get very big (last time was the past
>> february and lasted a couple of weeks). We use a very very high
>> timeout for them (20 minutes, instead of 2 minutes we use for everyone
>> else) because we experienced double deliveries due to timeout on our
>> side after the ending DATA "." (the very point the RFC says the server
>> should try to answer as fast as possible to avoid double delivery).
>>
>> Once (a couple of years ago) I also tried contacting them because of a
>> bad vulnerability in their webmail but I received no answers to that
>> too...
>>
>> I also have friends buying servers from Telecom Italia (so they are
>> customers) and they also had no success getting in touch with a
>> postmaster for alice.it .
>>
>> Maybe there should be a dnsbl for domains /dev/nulling postmaster@
>> address and not only for the one not accepting postmaster/abuse
>> recipient ;-)
>>
>> You may want to try
>> postmaster@(alice.it|aliceposta.it|tim.it|telecom.it|telecomitalia.com|retail.telecomitalia.it)
>>
>> With abuses you may want to try
>> ab...@retail.telecomitalia.it
>> ab...@telecomitalia.it
>>
>> and the only one that ever answered an email to us (a lot of years ago):
>> staff...@telecomitalia.it
>>
>> Their only known interactive communication channel is twitter:
>> @tim_official ... maybe you will have success tweeting them in
>> "public".
>>
>> Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>>
>> Stefano
>>
>> --
>> Stefano Bagnara
>> Apache James/jDKIM/jSPF
>> VOXmail/Mosaico.io/VoidLabs
>>
>>
>> On 2 August 2017 at 16:10, Lindani Tshabangu via mailop
>> <mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Anyone who can assist with a contact at Alice.it or point me to where I can
>>> get one?
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> ____________________
>>>
>>> Lindani Tshabangu
>>> Deliverability EMEA | GROUPON
>>>
>>> ltshaba...@groupon.com
>>
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