On 16 Oct 2018, at 12:42, Brandon Long wrote:

It is pretty common these days for spam systems to sometimes visit links in the email message to help determine the spamminess or phishiness or just
plain badness of messages.

I can see the value of the datapoint. That said, if the automated filter visits a confirmation link then it would be breaking COI. How are ESPs discerning between those visits and the ones originated by the recipient actually clicking on the confirmation link?

It's one of the reasons for the newer
list-unsubscribe-post header in rfc 8058 (as mentioned in the abstract).

Yes, I'm aware. However, the context of the conversations on this topic that I remember were centered around making the link "machine actionable", in the sense that automatic unsubscribe would not need to jump through hoops but rather, straight unsubscribe. This could keep the traditional unsubscribe behavior of presenting a form to collect feedback on the unsubscribe reason.

To me this is very different from plainly GETting a link in an email.

Hopefully this behavior is restricted to images and collateral, not actual links... but once the line is broken, it's only a matter of time I guess.

Best regards

-lem





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