Hari--

This is your contribution to the concrete issues of campaigning for Democrats, 
rushing to Marv's defense?  Try performing the evaluation of Marv's advocacy of 
a "left-liberal" alliance using Marv's own criteria; and then you should do the 
same using mine.

But let's parse your heroic defense of unfairly criticized sage:

I f I subscribed to Tsipras' policies, as you allege, I would have defended 
them against his critics then and now

We've already shown that Marv defended the decision to provide 
"support"--whether critical or not--of the decision to support the election of 
Syriza in Greece, so nothing further be said on that matter EXCEPT it refutes 
the claim that:

I've never once said nor hinted that I am in favour of a program "which 
supports class collaboration and maintains the ruling institutions and 
relations of the bourgeoisie."

If supporting Syriza does not amount to supporting class collaboration and 
maintaining ruling institutions, then a)there must be 2 Syriza's, one that 
explicitly vowed to maintain the authority of the EU the ECB, the 
parliament,the Greek military  and then another one which Marv and others found 
worthy of support in winning the general election

. He understood that a revolutionary program required revolutionary conditions 
and scorned those who thought the Bolshevik program could be mechanically 
imported where such conditions did not exist  He was flexible enough to alter 
his position when conditions changed, and he  understood that the overthrow of 
capitalism by the masses would require a vanguard party of disciplined 
revolutionaries.

The homage to Lenin  sounds very reasonable and rational, except for the fact 
that no EXAMPLE of Lenin ever proposing a "left liberal alliance," or election 
of Kadets as a tactic or strategy for the party is provided, even during times 
of working class retreat.  And you know what? if Lenin ever did that, he would 
have been wrong.   I am not one thinks Lenin is the authority and I have never 
cited Lenin as the source for my criticism of "left-liberal alliance." I am not 
a "vanguard-ist."

where you saw socialism being established after that? Perhaps it was in the 
gushings of Castro? Perhaps it was in the ever-so vibrant and brave Che? 
Perhaps indeed it might have been in the disasters of Mao's so-called 'Great 
Leap" or even better in his "Great" "Proletarian" Counter-revolution? Oh - did 
I forget, did you see it perhaps in.... (wait for it) Harold Wilson..? Or 
perhaps even in Kampuchea.... Dear me. We won't even mention Grenada, 
Nicaragua, Venezuela.. oh, the list goes on - does it not?

WTF?  I mean, really WTF is that, besides incoherent?   The  issue is and 
was--what can establish in both long and short runs effective resistance and 
opposition to the need of capitalism drive the cost of labor power below its 
value.  I think as a matter of fact almost all the circumstances you describe 
resulted in collapse of the prospects for the emancipation of labor because in 
part  if not in total, of the type of class collaboration, accommodation to 
liberalism that Marv falsely characterizes as Lenin's flexibility.

Now if you think Trump is an aberration, a one-off,  and his great appeal is 
NOT that he represents the petit-bourgeois willingness to die and kill for the 
sanctity of private property; to attack the most vulnerable sections of the 
working class (women,migrants); that his supporters are not  organized by that 
need of capital and the bourgeoisie as a class, to impose the  needs of 
accumulation upon the working class; if you don't think Trump is both the 
logical and illogical extension of Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Obama; if you think that 
capitalist "free trade" is more enlightened more humane than capitalist 
protectionism; if you believe there really is a "good cop"  in this "good 
cop-bad cop" farce written by cynics for the enjoyment of fools--then it's you 
who haven't been paying attention to the changes since 1925 or 1923 (since 1872 
really).

And good luck with that.  But there won't be any because what is necessary is a 
good-bye to all that.

So good-bye to you Hari.


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