On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 04:25 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: I'm pretty sure there are differences between us.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 08:15 AM, Mark Baugher wrote: Vietnam, China? I understood we were discussing whether there were any meaningful differences at the base and leadership levels between the Democrats in the US and the social democratic parties in the UK and western Europe, all advanced capitalist two-party states administered by alternating liberal and conservative parties or coalitions. China and Vietnam are one-party states governed by Communist parties which led successful social and anti-imperialist revolutions in our lifetime. They have since made major concessions to private markets and capitalist interests at home and abroad. However, they also have a degree of state ownership and control which distinguishes them from "neoliberal" Western economies, and it is still a matter of debate on the Marxist left as to how to characterize them and their direction going forward. I'm following the debate as it evolves, and I continue to find Michael Roberts' analyses the most persuasive. In any case, I don't see what our disagreements over Vietnam or China or on Ukraine for that matter have to do with how we view the union-backed left-centre parties in the West and under what circumstances we might electorally support or oppose them if we were politically active. These are tactical questions, and the answer I would give for each of the major NATO countries I identified - the US, Britain, France, and Germany - differ according to their circumstances. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32744): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32744 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108801645/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
