New Zealand had a 1st past rhe post electoral system until the 1990s. We had 2 and a bit parties in parliament (one die hard Social Credit MP with a loyal local following). On at least a few occasions nthe party with the most votes came second. It was seen as wrong by most people (especially those who felt cheated of course), but endured for decades without a campaign to change it.
Eventually a campaign emerged, Labour for years had proportional representation in its manifesto but did nothing. Eventually it was put to a referendum under National (who were keep being told are fascists). A local tosser from the corporate sector ran a poor campaign against but despite the complicated 2 step process, it was passed. We had to choose for or against the stars quo, then, in the event of a change, which of STV (like Ireland), MMP (like Germany (the Greens'preferred option)), preferential voting (like Australia) and I think a 4th. We got MMP by quite a margin. The point is, people put up with a bad system for a long time but a campaign finally emerged and gained enough momentum to get it adopted by a major party. Comradely, John On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 17:50 sartesian via groups.io, <sartesian= earthlink....@groups.io> wrote: > Marv's arguments stand as their own critique. "It's a good issue for > mobilizing a mass movement..." at the same time as it wouldn't undermine > class rule, and the US can "fall in line"--- > > Meanwhile 36 states in the US have enacted some form of voter suppression > laws; the USSC scraps the core of the Voting Rights Act. Plus if you > compare maps of states with voter suppression laws,, you find the states > with the harshest laws are the same states with "right to work laws"---but > don't connect the dots, don't make the links. Doing so might undermine > class rule.....and piss off the Democrats. > > But yeah "We support democratic struggles." News flash, we only do that > because of their proximity to and our ability to demonstrate the class > content of the struggles and the necessity of undermining the ruling class. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32708): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32708 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108801645/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
