On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 09:42 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:

> 
> I don't think it's useful to reduce a human society to "the base" that
> directly determines "the superstructure." The relationship is too complex
> for that.
> 
> 

There's no reduction involved, rather it is a determination of cause which 
provides insight to that very complexity.

"At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society 
come into conflict with the existing relations of production or – this merely 
expresses the same thing in legal terms – with the property relations within 
the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development 
of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins 
an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner 
or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure" Marx

If we can't' agree on that, there's no point to further discussion.


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