On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 04:57 PM, Charles wrote: > > Marv Gandall wrote: > >> They did not expect the system would survive to the present day. >> >> > > That's what you say...without evidence... European capitalism from its > first city victories in Italy and Holland took centuries just to get to > the first national revolution in England in 1640. > >
It’s self-evident that millions of workers, peasants, and intellectuals would not have mobilized unless they believed that capitalism had outlived its historic role and that its global overthrow was now on the agenda. They were led to so believe by revolutionary Marxists who could not foresee (as we would not have) that capitalism would unexpectedly recover from its crises and expand over the following decades, causing their socialist revolutions to capitulate. I’ve seen nothing to suggest they anticipated otherwise, and find it hard to believe that the Bolsheviks and the other Comintern parties would have unilaterally seized power if they were other than convinced that capitalism was in its “death agonies” and “ripe” for revolution, and that it was not going to “take centuries” to reach that goal. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39333): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39333 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116301050/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
