"Rape was a prize for conquering soldiers long ago (still is in some places) so I wonder if that is an evolutional factor." - clog
Yep clog, it has always been a prize, more so in some situations. Perhaps since US soldiers have claimed that 'prize' in each and every war, perhaps with the exception of Grenada, this is one example of how those in the US military are not so evolved? On Oct 25, 10:42 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi y'all - I'm sure there is some truth in Liz' statement about power > over people. I suppose some weak men would get a thrill from > overpowering a woman. I still think that sex is the root of the desire > though. I'm sure Liz feels my throbbing desire when I'm close to her, > but she knows I wouldn't rape her. The nearest I've come is giving her > a well deserved slap on the butt, and that's because she thrust it in > my face. Perhaps the desire for sex alone is not enough to make a man > rape - he must also have the urge to overpower. Rape was a prize for > conquering soldiers long ago (still is in some places) so I wonder if > that is an evolutional factor. As Liz points out there is probably no > one here that we could ask. I'm sure Jason could throw some light on > this when he gets out of bed. > > On Oct 25, 10:46 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > “…People rape because it makes the rapist powerful.” – Liz > > “That's because men are not mindless sex machines looking for a sperm > > depository.” – Liz > > “Because rape isn't about sex.” – Liz > > > Yes, Liz, in many situations all sex includes a component of “who is > > boss?”. And, this in no way is the last word about sex and/or rape. > > Also, MANY men have been socialized to not use another person as a > > depository. However, they still find depositories. > > > And, lastly and perhaps of most interest, when it comes to the male > > being the ‘forcer’ in a sex act (the reverse DOES also exist, albeit > > less common), IF the sex act included absolutely no physical pleasure, > > it becomes quite easy to posit that the instance of rape would greatly > > decrease, perhaps to the level of nonexistence. > > > However, in the same hypothetical, the result for humanity as a whole > > would most likely become nonexistence too. > > > On Oct 25, 8:27 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "I fail to see why a man would rape an 85 year old woman?" > > > > That's just it. Most rapes aren't about sex, they are about power. A > > > rapist rapes not because he can't control his desire for a pretty woman, > > > but > > > because he desires to overpower her. The same is true for the rape of > > > men. > > > Most men who are raped by men are not raped by homosexuals, they are raped > > > by straight men and often in the company of other men! Sex is an aside. > > > People rape because it makes the rapist powerful. > > > > How many men on this forum have been overwhelmed by their desire for an > > > attractive female and then attacked and raped her? I would guess very few > > > to none. Probably none. That's because men are not mindless sex machines > > > looking for a sperm depository. > > > > How many men on this forum would have stopped to rape the girl walking > > > down > > > Whore street I described had they known she was infection free and that > > > they > > > would never be prosecuted? I suspect few to none. Probably none. And > > > why > > > do you think that is? Because rape isn't about sex. > > > > liz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clogtowner > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:20 AM > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > Subject: Re: Scientists find way to erase memories in mice > > > > Hi y'all - I agree that equality has little to do with the problem. > > > Liz' example was extreme. Wearing hot pants on a chilly night in Whore > > > street would rightly be seen as provocative. Wearing a Burka in the > > > same location would probably scare everyone away. It is nature's way > > > for the female to attract the male, (humans) and a display of > > > attraction results in a magnetic response. Of course, then we proceed > > > with "No, leave me alone" and "why are you wearing hot pants - you > > > know you really want it." Evolution is a slow process and women are > > > the weaker, and magnetic to men. I'm not suggesting Burka's. but > > > common sense, until evolution dictates that, not unlike myself, men > > > become as beautiful as women. > > > I suppose that if women weren't attractive to men, there would be no > > > rapes. I fail to see why a man would rape an 85 year old woman? I > > > guess that's one for Jason. > > > > On Oct 25, 12:54 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "...If the lesson a woman learns from a rape is that she is denied > > > > access to certain places by virtue of her being a woman then our > > > > society has not progressed as far in the direction of equality as I > > > > thought..." - Liz > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > While I find it a rather sad commentary on humanity as a whole, we > > > > both know that there are many places where it is not safe for a person > > > > to go w/o the possibility of rape. That just is. And, I'm not sure it > > > > has much to do with the notion of equality either. > > > > > On Oct 24, 6:06 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This is not Saudi Arabia. A woman need not learn that there is any > > > place > > > > > that is off limits to her. > > > > > > If the lesson a woman learns from a rape is that she is denied access > > > > > to > > > > > certain places by virtue of her being a woman then our society has not > > > > > progressed as far in the direction of equality as I thought. > > > > > > A woman can walk down Whore Street at three in the morning wearing hot > > > pants > > > > > and a tube top while swishing her long, auburn hair is opposition to > > > > > her > > > > > round, sultry hips and the only lesson she should learn is to bring a > > > jacket > > > > > next time if she's chilly. > > > > > > We mustn't forget that men get raped too. I wasn't choosing a sex for > > > my > > > > > original statement. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:42 PM > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > Subject: Re: Scientists find way to erase memories in mice > > > > > > Liz, while I'm sure your question is rhetorical and my response is in > > > > > no way meant to be a global 'answer'...one could learn where not to > > > > > be. > > > > > > On Oct 24, 1:16 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > "All memories, including the painful emotional memories, have their > > > > > > purposes. We learn great lessons from those memories or experiences > > > > > > so > > > we > > > > > > can avoid making the same kinds of mistakes again, and help us to > > > adapt > > > > > down > > > > > > the road," Tsien said in a telephone interview on Thursday. > > > > > > > This man has evidently never been raped. What great lesson is there > > > to be > > > > > > learned from a rape that is worth the act? > > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > CrossBow > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:17 AM > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > Subject: Scientists find way to erase memories in mice > > > > > > > Scientists find way to erase memories in mice > > > > > > By Will Dunham, Reuters > > > > > > Thu Oct 23, 4:40 PM EDT > > > > > > It seems like a movie plot, but scientists have developed a way to > > > > > > erase specific memories in mice while leaving others intact and not > > > > > > damaging the brain. > > > > > > > By manipulating levels of an important protein in the brain, certain > > > > > > memories can be selectively deleted, researchers led by > > > > > > neurobiologist > > > > > > Joe Tsien of the Medical College of Georgia reported in the journal > > > > > > Neuron. > > > > > > > While some experts have suggested there could be value in erasing > > > > > > certain memories in people such as wartime traumas, Tsien doubted > > > > > > this > > > > > > could be done as it was in mice. Tsien also questioned the wisdom of > > > > > > wiping out a person's memories. > > > > > > > "All memories, including the painful emotional memories, have their > > > > > > purposes. We learn great lessons from those memories or experiences > > > > > > so > > > > > > we can avoid making the same kinds of mistakes again, and help us to > > > > > > adapt down the road," Tsien said in a telephone interview on > > > > > > Thursday. > > > > > > > The study focused on a protein called alpha-CaMKII involved in > > > > > > learning and memory. The scientists manipulated alpha-CaMKII > > > > > > activity > > > > > > in the brains of genetically modified mice to influence the > > > > > > retrieval > > > > > > of short-term and long-term memories. > > > > > > > Mice that were made to recall things such a mild electric shock at > > > > > > the > > > > > > same time that the protein was turned up in their brain seemed to > > > > > > lose > > > > > > the memory of the shock while not forgetting anything else, the > > > > > > researchers said. > > > > > > > "The human brain is so complex and dramatically different from the > > > > > > mouse brain. That's why I say I don't think it's possible you can do > > > > > > the same thing in humans," Tsien said. > > > > > > > "However, if that happens in my lifetime, I wouldn't be surprised > > > > > > either," Tsien added. > > > > > > > The 2004 film "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" explored the > > > > > > idea of selectively erasing memories. Two former lovers undergo > > > > > > procedures to wipe out the memory of one another after their > > > > > > relationship falls apart. > > > > > > > "If one wants to get rid of a bad relationship with another person, > > > > > > and is hoping to have a pill to erase that person or relationship, > > > > > > it's not the solution," Tsien said.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text --- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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