Crotchblow said >>> Logic is not limited in scope, only the "human" use of it is. <<<
Does this make sense in this regard? 1. All birds are mammals. (premise) 2. A platypus is a bird. (premise) 3. Therefore, the platypus is a mammal. (conclusion) "This is a valid deductive argument, even though the premises are both false. But because those premises are not true, the argument is not sound. It is interesting to note that the conclusion is true — this demonstrates that an argument with false premises can nevertheless produce a true conclusion." Critiquing Arguments How To Tell When Arguments Are Valid And/Or Sound By Austin Cline, About.com Rick S said >>>For example, Carl Jung talked about a "collective unconsious". And there's intuition, like when twins separated by some distance know the other is hurt. Logic is great but it is not the only tool in the toolbox. >>> The link was about "truth", correct? I'm not trying to be a smart arse. If I am wrong about this assertion then I will go back and read the article link again. I have quoted this saying in the past and will do so again. "True for you or true for all? If true for all then you must give us some kind of objective standard to go by." stemcell On Oct 27, 10:14 am, "C B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Logic is not limited in scope, only the "human" use of it is. Logic is not > an isolated system because the brain is not structured that way. Crays or > thier ilk could be the only true isolated-logic producers we have. Our fat > little pinkish grey brain cells can make up some pretty interesting stuff > like "faith" - you can get lost squirming in metaphysics, which, in my > opinion, does not take an intuitive thinker, but one that is willing to be > led from logic toward delusion. Okay, stake me in the heart, for that one, > but I can't go there and believe me I have tried numerous times. > > Would you agree that Humans only have one perspective for each brain that > can only be glimpsed by another brain and much of what we think is a > delusion to someone else (that is not to be construed as disparaging to > anyone else)? Logic may be our only bridge.... > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:23 AM, stem cell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>Rick S said, "My aim is not to disparage logic, > > only to point out that it is limited in scope." > > > Can you provide an example of another type of verification system that > > works better than logic? Do you know of any system that is not > > "limited" or at least not as "limited" and what is that system? > > > The only ones I can come up with are psychic abilities and > > FAITH. :-) Not sure "FAITH" is a "system" but go with me here. :-) > > > >>>Taylor said, "Most people who go to great lengths to point out limits of > > science > > (real or imagined) are usually doing so in order to remove obstacles > > to your believing in their brand of woo." > > > Dr. Wayne Dyer, perhaps? Charles Gillihan? Michael Behe? Oooh > > oooh! Wait...Steven C. Myer of the Discovery Institute. > > > >>>Taylor said, " I see nothing on the site about who "Dr. Terry Halwes" is > > or what his > > credentials are. That normally means a medical doctor or dentist, at > > best, but more likely a Ph.D. in theology or some other pseudo > > science. In other words, not a scientist." > > > What about a phone psychic? Wait...did I just say that or think it? > > > stemcell > > > On Oct 26, 11:53 pm, Rick S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > In researching an idea for an essay I had about the limits of > > > logic, I came across a very interesting essay by a scientist, to which > > > I will provide a link. By the way, I also picked up some very > > > interesting quotes about logic. My aim is not to disparage logic, > > > only to point out that it is limited in scope. First the quotes: > > > > "What is laid down, ordered, factual is never enough to embrace the > > > whole truth: life always spills over the rim of every cup." > > > - Boris Pasternak > > > > "Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit." > > > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > > > "A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed > > > that uses it." > > > - Rabindranath Tagore > > > > The wrong view of science betrays itself in the craving to be right; > > > for it is not his possession of knowledge, of irrefutable truth, that > > > makes the man of science, but his persistent and recklessly critical > > > quest for truth. > > > Sir Karl Popper > > > The Logic of Scientific Discovery > > > > Here's the link: http://dharma-haven.org/science/terrible-truth.htm. > > > > Rick S- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
