“Black is not red is not subjective it is objective, measurable,
observable, testable with instrumentation.” – humanis

The topic was truth. I merely gave an example of something that is
‘true’, but since it is relative, it is subjective. The very term red
is a learned concept. It is a word and as such is relative/subjective.
It is not objective. We are not born with it. Some people are born
with no sight. For them, the notion of red is meaningless. Those who
are red/green blind have similar issues, even though they can see
something, they do not see what you see as being ‘red’. This is what I
mean by subjective. The notion is dependent upon something else. It is
relative. Like you choose to define ‘objective’ in a different way
than I have used it and the result is a disagreement based upon each
of our differing thoughts. Subjective.

This, by the way is also true.  : - )




On Oct 27, 6:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Black is not red is not subjective it is objective,  measurable, observable,
> testable with instrumentation.
>
> J.
>
> “…Is  truth not truth? Is it not all or nothing?…” – Stem
>
> No.
>
> There  are subjective truths…including things like black is not red.
> Truths based  upon at least one person's apprehension of appearances is
> another way of  saying this. For the above example, a blind person
> would not agree that  black is not red is a truth, unless one is only
> talking about the  words/concepts and not the thing itself.
>
> There are ultimate truths.  Truths having to do with the absolute are
> in this category. Things like,  all is one.
>
> On Oct 27, 1:20 pm, stem cell  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Orn. said this >>>  ultimate truth <<<
>
> > How is that different from  mega-truth?  A smidgen of truth?  etc.?  Is
> > truth not  truth?  Is it not all or nothing?  How can a woman be a
> >  little pregnant?
>
> > stemcell
>
> > by the way,  truthfully, great thread. :-)
>
> > On Oct 27, 11:40 am,  ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
> > > “Science is certainly a quest for  truth, but that doesn't mean that
> > > truth can never be achieved.  Isn't it possible that someday we will
> > > have explained every  observable aspect of nature, and all that's left
> > > is engineering?  The fact that we keep replacing scientific theories
> > > with new ones  that are better doesn't mean that this will keep
> > > occurring  forever.” – Taylor
>
> > > A few observations here Taylor. First,  I’m not sure which ‘truth’ you
> > > are talking about when associating  the term with science. Is it some
> > > sort of ultimate truth? A  unified theory? Perhaps you have addressed
> > > this elsewhere, but in  context your intention is not clear to me. It’s
> > > almost a  tautology.
>
> > > As to your apparently rhetorical question  about an ontology based on
> > > possibilities, perhaps anything at all  is ‘possible’? Not wishing to
> > > enter into a formal debate here,  but it would seem that numerous
> > > fallacies are included within  that notion.
>
> > > As to your last speculation, while, again,  perhaps anything is
> > > ‘possible’, in this context, the reverse is  more probable, being the
> > > simplest ‘answer’. Perhaps it is a  similar thing to one of Zeno’s
> > > paradoxes?
>
> > >  All of this said, I do appreciate your candor and openness in this
> >  > discussion.
>
> > > On Oct 27, 7:56 am, Taylor  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > <<OK.  But Popper?>>
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> > > > Quote  mining.
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> > > > Science is certainly a quest for truth, but  that doesn't mean that
> > > > truth can never be achieved.  Isn't it possible that someday we will
> > > > have explained  every observable aspect of nature, and all that's left
> > > > is  engineering?  The fact that we keep replacing scientific theories
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