Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different
era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie.

By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that
era. I remember all of this! : - )

And then the musical association from Gigi arose… “Ah, Yes, I Remember
It Well”. A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in the
US.

http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html

On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but think he was
> imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:)
>
> Liked it though.
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bliss!!!!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM
>
> > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of the time:)
> > But,
> > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my grand anchor
> > of
> > > logic!
>
> > > Yes, lyrics are spot on.  Some consider it naivete and illogical.  It has
> > > always kept me from giving up:)  Music! ah, my favorite emotional
> > vehicle.
> > > Words and music together? BLISS!
>
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB
>
> > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'. However, I
> > > > know it is temporary.
> > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical first came
> > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too.
>
> > > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm
>
> > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on it yet." –
> > > > CB
>
> > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The 'research'
> > > > to date all points one way.
>
> > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would be...Spacers." – CB
>
> > > > Again, while I love SF too, …………..
>
> > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB
>
> > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this. Secondly,
> > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy itself soon, I
> > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979.
>
> > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen. Ah,
> > > > well:)" – CB
>
> > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?!  : - )
> > > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get one:)
> >  Funny,
> > > > last
> > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing role of US in
> > > > > space.  Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what gives in the
> > > > next
> > > > > four.  Yes, an optimist to the core:)
>
> > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, but had not
> > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we don't have
> > enough
> > > > > research on it yet.  Adaptation in space is buggers for anyone and
> > only a
> > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible physically and
> > > > > psychologically.  I mean, how are they going to get around bone
> > density?
> > > > one
> > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal human that
> > can
> > > > > take deep space.  Could never stand Earth G afterword though, so
> > space
> > > > would
> > > > > be your home.  Just think how different that humanity would
> > be...Spacers.
>
> > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite NASA has
> > been
> > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation.  NO ONE is going to
> > last
> > > > out
> > > > > there without that.  If we ever see our way to artificial G's without
> > > > > rotation!!! Syonara Blue Planet:)
>
> > > > > Like Arthur C. Clarke, I believe many things are possible in space
> > and my
> > > > > sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen.  Ah,
> > well:)
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > "...What do you think of the future of space stations?..." CB
>
> > > > > > You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that their
> > future
> > > > > > is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to diminish.
>
> > > > > > I also have a strange intuition about the overall future of 'wo/man
> > in
> > > > > > space' being very dire too, something about not being able to
> > adapt.
>
> > > > > > IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our 'travel'
> > may
> > > > > > have to take some other form than what is commonly thought of now
> > by
> > > > > > most.
>
> > > > > > Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked me this
> > > > > > before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time. And no, my
> > > > > > time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying the end is
> > > > > > near! : - )
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Orn,
>
> > > > > > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about
> > aerospace/military,
> > > > no
> > > > > > > abuse intended to you.  It is a shared hobby/career at my house,
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > met so many interesting people in that industry.  As you can
> > tell, I
> > > > am
> > > > > > > close to the military and have family and friends in most
> > government
> > > > > > > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad.  Space
> > propulsion
> > > > is my
> > > > > > > favorite.
>
> > > > > > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for manned
> > travel.
> > > > > >  Geeks
> > > > > > > that designed it came out of Canada and started working for
> > > > NASA....yep,
> > > > > > 10
> > > > > > > years later "walkin on the moon".  Nice story:)  You would like
> > this
> > > > > > book...
>
> > > > > > >http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html
>
> > > > > > > What do you think of the future of space stations? Russia has a
> > stick
> > > > up
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect collaborations??
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "...The original deployment system for North America..." - orn
>
> > > > > > > > Now I feel confused, used and perhaps abused. I was basing my
> > > > comment
> > > > > > > > on what I thought was a documentary film a few years ago as
> > well as
> > > > > > > > some online research I did at the time.
> > > > > > > > Now it appears that, even though there remains much
> > misinformation
> > > > > > > > about the company, planes and cause of demise, the information
> > may
> > > > > > > > have been a bit of mythomania. Specifically, I am talking about
> > the
> > > > > > > > Avro Arrow. As I remember it, there were reports, films and
> > > > > > > > discussions about it's capability to launch satellites into
> > > > space…now
> > > > > > > > I can't find the sources. So, will table it for now.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:24 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Orn, I was referring to your own passage below in the
> > reference
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > satellite
> > > > > > > > > delivery systems...
>
> > > > > > > > > <<<The original deployment system for North America was going
> > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the
> > way.>>>
>
> > > > > > > > > that response I sent was directly pointed to this sentence.
> >  The
> > > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > deployment vehicles were always to be rocketry.  Big, fast,
> > and
> > > > ugly.
> > > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > > used rocket delivery instead of aircraft for the obvious
> > reasons,
> > > > as
> > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > sure you know.  Mostly, I think, because we could test
> > missile
> > > > > > > > capabilities
> > > > > > > > > simultaneously demonstrating how far our reach extended...on
> > both
> > > > > > sides
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > course.  Cold War contest.
>
> > > > > > > > > very important stuff, those satellites. practical uses for
> > > > military
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > civilians.  This tech birthed GPS, which was only used by the
> > > > > > military
> > > > > > > > > until, what, the last 10 years?  Not a bad innovation.
>
> > > > > > > > > Ode to Arthur C. Clarke:)
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:58 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > "... Flight delivery? ...not practical and not used until
> > after
> > > > > > cold
> > > > > > > > > > war a bit.... " - CB
>
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you are apparently criticizing here,
> > sorry.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And, when it comes to sputnick, I still remember the
> > headlines.
> > > > I
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > bought a Revel model of it. And, in the late 50s, I was
> > most
> > > > likely
> > > > > > > > > > one of the very few in Indiana to purchase and read
> > magazines
> > > > from
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > about Russian rockets. Everyone else was afraid to be
> > called a
> > > > > > 'Red'
> > > > > > > > > > if they even picked them up, let alone read them.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 1:30 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > <<<You next ask, rhetorically perhaps, about satellite
> > > > > > technology.
> > > > > > > > Again,
> > > > > > > > > > > even the original satellites (Russian) were developed in
> > > > academic
> > > > > > > > > > > settings. The original deployment system for North
> > America
> > > > was
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the
> > way.
> > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > course, since the vast majority of all satellites in use
> > > > today
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > covert military use, your question is almost a
> > tautology>>>>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Satellite delivery and deployment at that time was rocket
> > > > based
> > > > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > > > > because everyone was worried about missile development
> > and
> > > > using
> > > > > > > > rocketry
> > > > > > > > > > > just made one more workable link in
>
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