I might also add, I think I am becoming a sourpuss, or at least the kind of person that believes romance is ephemeral at best, therefore, unlikely to continue throught time with the same strength, but an ebb and flow... Sometimes the flow goes down the drain!!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NICE................ > > Romantic fantasies? too bad so many logicians view emotion as > weakness...instead of examining them, and reveling in them! Control, > control, control! Logic, logic, logic! Methinks it gets worn thin, dry, > and not fun:) Ha, ironic that a logic machine takes us to the moon while > the astronauts heart is blazing. They seem to do best if wrapped together! > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different >> era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie. >> >> By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that >> era. I remember all of this! : - ) >> >> And then the musical association from Gigi arose… "Ah, Yes, I Remember >> It Well". A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in the >> US. >> >> http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html >> >> On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but think he >> was >> > imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:) >> > >> > Liked it though. >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Bliss!!!! >> > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc >> > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM >> > >> > > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of the >> time:) >> > > But, >> > > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my grand >> anchor >> > > of >> > > > logic! >> > >> > > > Yes, lyrics are spot on. Some consider it naivete and illogical. >> It has >> > > > always kept me from giving up:) Music! ah, my favorite emotional >> > > vehicle. >> > > > Words and music together? BLISS! >> > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind < >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB >> > >> > > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'. >> However, I >> > > > > know it is temporary. >> > > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical first >> came >> > > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too. >> > >> > > > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm >> > >> > > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on it >> yet." – >> > > > > CB >> > >> > > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The >> 'research' >> > > > > to date all points one way. >> > >> > > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would be...Spacers." – CB >> > >> > > > > Again, while I love SF too, ………….. >> > >> > > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB >> > >> > > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this. >> Secondly, >> > > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy itself >> soon, I >> > > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979. >> > >> > > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen. >> Ah, >> > > > > well:)" – CB >> > >> > > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?! : - ) >> > > > > >> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm >> > >> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get one:) >> > > Funny, >> > > > > last >> > > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing role of >> US in >> > > > > > space. Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what gives >> in the >> > > > > next >> > > > > > four. Yes, an optimist to the core:) >> > >> > > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, but had >> not >> > > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we don't have >> > > enough >> > > > > > research on it yet. Adaptation in space is buggers for anyone >> and >> > > only a >> > > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible physically >> and >> > > > > > psychologically. I mean, how are they going to get around bone >> > > density? >> > > > > one >> > > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal human >> that >> > > can >> > > > > > take deep space. Could never stand Earth G afterword though, so >> > > space >> > > > > would >> > > > > > be your home. Just think how different that humanity would >> > > be...Spacers. >> > >> > > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite NASA >> has >> > > been >> > > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation. NO ONE is going >> to >> > > last >> > > > > out >> > > > > > there without that. If we ever see our way to artificial G's >> without >> > > > > > rotation!!! Syonara Blue Planet:) >> > >> > > > > > Like Arthur C. Clarke, I believe many things are possible in >> space >> > > and my >> > > > > > sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen. Ah, >> > > well:) >> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > "...What do you think of the future of space stations?..." CB >> > >> > > > > > > You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that >> their >> > > future >> > > > > > > is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to >> diminish. >> > >> > > > > > > I also have a strange intuition about the overall future of >> 'wo/man >> > > in >> > > > > > > space' being very dire too, something about not being able to >> > > adapt. >> > >> > > > > > > IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our >> 'travel' >> > > may >> > > > > > > have to take some other form than what is commonly thought of >> now >> > > by >> > > > > > > most. >> > >> > > > > > > Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked me >> this >> > > > > > > before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time. And >> no, my >> > > > > > > time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying the >> end is >> > > > > > > near! : - ) >> > >> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > Orn, >> > >> > > > > > > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about >> > > aerospace/military, >> > > > > no >> > > > > > > > abuse intended to you. It is a shared hobby/career at my >> house, >> > > and >> > > > > I >> > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > met so many interesting people in that industry. As you can >> > > tell, I >> > > > > am >> > > > > > > > close to the military and have family and friends in most >> > > government >> > > > > > > > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad. Space >> > > propulsion >> > > > > is my >> > > > > > > > favorite. >> > >> > > > > > > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for manned >> > > travel. >> > > > > > > Geeks >> > > > > > > > that designed it came out of Canada and started working for >> > > > > NASA....yep, >> > > > > > > 10 >> > > > > > > > years later "walkin on the moon". Nice story:) You would >> like >> > > this >> > > > > > > book... >> > >> > > > > > > >http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html >> > >> > > > > > > > What do you think of the future of space stations? Russia >> has a >> > > stick >> > > > > up >> > > > > > > its >> > > > > > > > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect >> collaborations?? >> > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > "...The original deployment system for North America..." - >> orn >> > >> > > > > > > > > Now I feel confused, used and perhaps abused. I was basing >> my >> > > > > comment >> > > > > > > > > on what I thought was a documentary film a few years ago >> as >> > > well as >> > > > > > > > > some online research I did at the time. >> > > > > > > > > Now it appears that, even though there remains much >> > > misinformation >> > > > > > > > > about the company, planes and cause of demise, the >> information >> > > may >> > > > > > > > > have been a bit of mythomania. Specifically, I am talking >> about >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > Avro Arrow. As I remember it, there were reports, films >> and >> > > > > > > > > discussions about it's capability to launch satellites >> into >> > > > > space…now >> > > > > > > > > I can't find the sources. So, will table it for now. >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:24 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Orn, I was referring to your own passage below in the >> > > reference >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > satellite >> > > > > > > > > > delivery systems... >> > >> > > > > > > > > > <<<The original deployment system for North America was >> going >> > > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in the >> > > way.>>> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > that response I sent was directly pointed to this >> sentence. >> > > The >> > > > > > > original >> > > > > > > > > > deployment vehicles were always to be rocketry. Big, >> fast, >> > > and >> > > > > ugly. >> > > > > > > > > They >> > > > > > > > > > used rocket delivery instead of aircraft for the obvious >> > > reasons, >> > > > > as >> > > > > > > I am >> > > > > > > > > > sure you know. Mostly, I think, because we could test >> > > missile >> > > > > > > > > capabilities >> > > > > > > > > > simultaneously demonstrating how far our reach >> extended...on >> > > both >> > > > > > > sides >> > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > course. Cold War contest. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > very important stuff, those satellites. practical uses >> for >> > > > > military >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > civilians. This tech birthed GPS, which was only used >> by the >> > > > > > > military >> > > > > > > > > > until, what, the last 10 years? Not a bad innovation. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ode to Arthur C. Clarke:) >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:58 PM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > "... Flight delivery? ...not practical and not used >> until >> > > after >> > > > > > > cold >> > > > > > > > > > > war a bit.... " - CB >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you are apparently criticizing here, >> > > sorry. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > And, when it comes to sputnick, I still remember the >> > > headlines. >> > > > > I >> > > > > > > even >> > > > > > > > > > > bought a Revel model of it. And, in the late 50s, I >> was >> > > most >> > > > > likely >> > > > > > > > > > > one of the very few in Indiana to purchase and read >> > > magazines >> > > > > from >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > about Russian rockets. Everyone else was afraid to be >> > > called a >> > > > > > > 'Red' >> > > > > > > > > > > if they even picked them up, let alone read them. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 1:30 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > <<<You next ask, rhetorically perhaps, about >> satellite >> > > > > > > technology. >> > > > > > > > > Again, >> > > > > > > > > > > > even the original satellites (Russian) were >> developed in >> > > > > academic >> > > > > > > > > > > > settings. The original deployment system for North >> > > America >> > > > > was >> > > > > > > going >> > > > > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in >> the >> > > way. >> > > > > Of >> > > > > > > > > > > > course, since the vast majority of all satellites in >> use >> > > > > today >> > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > covert military use, your question is almost a >> > > tautology>>>> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Satellite delivery and deployment at that time was >> rocket >> > > > > based >> > > > > > > > > mostly >> > > > > > > > > > > > because everyone was worried about missile >> development >> > > and >> > > > > using >> > > > > > > > > rocketry >> > > > > > > > > > > > just made one more workable link in >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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