Naive longing for an apparently different person? not sure what you mean
there.  Rephrase? Romance as I see it is the chemical processes that create
longing/desire...Help?

ARE we getting into time here? Eternity? Is time only measurable in local
reference? We don't have the capacity to measure eternity do we? I smell
string theory!  not sure what you mean by reference to the one.  Is that the
particle theory that there is a smallest of particles in everything in the
universe? Set me some markers for this one and I will happily follow:)




On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> "…romance is ephemeral at best,…" – CB
>
> IF by 'romance' you mean the naïve longing for an apparently different
> person, of course you are correct. ALL things have a beginning, middle
> and end. However, IF one is searching for the return to 'the One',
> then it is a proposition having to do with eternity.
>
>
> On Nov 6, 12:06 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I might also add, I think I am becoming a sourpuss, or at least the kind
> of
> > person that believes romance is ephemeral at best, therefore, unlikely to
> > continue throught time with the same strength, but an ebb and flow...
> > Sometimes the flow goes down the drain!!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > NICE................
> >
> > > Romantic fantasies? too bad so many logicians view emotion as
> > > weakness...instead of examining them, and reveling in them! Control,
> > > control, control!  Logic, logic, logic!  Methinks it gets worn thin,
> dry,
> > > and not fun:)  Ha, ironic that a logic machine takes us to the moon
> while
> > > the astronauts heart is blazing.  They seem to do best if wrapped
> together!
> >
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, ornamentalmind <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>  >
> > >> Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different
> > >> era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie.
> >
> > >> By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that
> > >> era. I remember all of this! : - )
> >
> > >> And then the musical association from Gigi arose… "Ah, Yes, I Remember
> > >> It Well". A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in the
> > >> US.
> >
> > >>http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html
> >
> > >> On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but think
> he
> > >> was
> > >> > imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:)
> >
> > >> > Liked it though.
> >
> > >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > >> > > Bliss!!!!
> >
> > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc
> >
> > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM
> >
> > >> > > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of the
> > >> time:)
> > >> > > But,
> > >> > > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my grand
> > >> anchor
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > > logic!
> >
> > >> > > > Yes, lyrics are spot on.  Some consider it naivete and
> illogical.
> > >>  It has
> > >> > > > always kept me from giving up:)  Music! ah, my favorite
> emotional
> > >> > > vehicle.
> > >> > > > Words and music together? BLISS!
> >
> > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB
> >
> > >> > > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'.
> > >> However, I
> > >> > > > > know it is temporary.
> > >> > > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical
> first
> > >> came
> > >> > > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too.
> >
> > >> > > > >
> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm
> >
> > >> > > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on it
> > >> yet." –
> > >> > > > > CB
> >
> > >> > > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The
> > >> 'research'
> > >> > > > > to date all points one way.
> >
> > >> > > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would be...Spacers."
> – CB
> >
> > >> > > > > Again, while I love SF too, …………..
> >
> > >> > > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB
> >
> > >> > > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this.
> > >> Secondly,
> > >> > > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy itself
> > >> soon, I
> > >> > > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979.
> >
> > >> > > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all
> happen.
> > >> Ah,
> > >> > > > > well:)" – CB
> >
> > >> > > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?!  : - )
> >
> > >>http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm
> >
> > >> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get
> one:)
> > >> > >  Funny,
> > >> > > > > last
> > >> > > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing role
> of
> > >> US in
> > >> > > > > > space.  Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what
> gives
> > >> in the
> > >> > > > > next
> > >> > > > > > four.  Yes, an optimist to the core:)
> >
> > >> > > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, but
> had
> > >> not
> > >> > > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we don't
> have
> > >> > > enough
> > >> > > > > > research on it yet.  Adaptation in space is buggers for
> anyone
> > >> and
> > >> > > only a
> > >> > > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible
> physically
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > > psychologically.  I mean, how are they going to get around
> bone
> > >> > > density?
> > >> > > > > one
> > >> > > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal
> human
> > >> that
> > >> > > can
> > >> > > > > > take deep space.  Could never stand Earth G afterword
> though, so
> > >> > > space
> > >> > > > > would
> > >> > > > > > be your home.  Just think how different that humanity would
> > >> > > be...Spacers.
> >
> > >> > > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite
> NASA
> > >> has
> > >> > > been
> > >> > > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation.  NO ONE is
> going
> > >> to
> > >> > > last
> > >> > > > > out
> > >> > > > > > there without that.  If we ever see our way to artificial
> G's
> > >> without
> > >> > > > > > rotation!!! Syonara Blue Planet:)
> >
> > >> > > > > > Like Arthur C. Clarke, I believe many things are possible in
> > >> space
> > >> > > and my
> > >> > > > > > sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen.
>  Ah,
> > >> > > well:)
> > >> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > > > > "...What do you think of the future of space stations?..."
> CB
> >
> > >> > > > > > > You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that
> > >> their
> > >> > > future
> > >> > > > > > > is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to
> > >> diminish.
> >
> > >> > > > > > > I also have a strange intuition about the overall future
> of
> > >> 'wo/man
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > > > > > space' being very dire too, something about not being able
> to
> > >> > > adapt.
> >
> > >> > > > > > > IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our
> > >> 'travel'
> > >> > > may
> > >> > > > > > > have to take some other form than what is commonly thought
> of
> > >> now
> > >> > > by
> > >> > > > > > > most.
> >
> > >> > > > > > > Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked
> me
> > >> this
> > >> > > > > > > before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time.
> And
> > >> no, my
> > >> > > > > > > time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying
> the
> > >> end is
> > >> > > > > > > near! : - )
> >
> > >> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > Orn,
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about
> > >> > > aerospace/military,
> > >> > > > > no
> > >> > > > > > > > abuse intended to you.  It is a shared hobby/career at
> my
> > >> house,
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > > > I
> > >> > > > > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > > met so many interesting people in that industry.  As you
> can
> > >> > > tell, I
> > >> > > > > am
> > >> > > > > > > > close to the military and have family and friends in
> most
> > >> > > government
> > >> > > > > > > > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad.  Space
> > >> > > propulsion
> > >> > > > > is my
> > >> > > > > > > > favorite.
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for
> manned
> > >> > > travel.
> > >> > > > > > >  Geeks
> > >> > > > > > > > that designed it came out of Canada and started working
> for
> > >> > > > > NASA....yep,
> > >> > > > > > > 10
> > >> > > > > > > > years later "walkin on the moon".  Nice story:)  You
> would
> > >> like
> > >> > > this
> > >> > > > > > > book...
> >
> > >> > > > > > > >http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > What do you think of the future of space stations?
> Russia
> > >> has a
> > >> > > stick
> > >> > > > > up
> > >> > > > > > > its
> > >> > > > > > > > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect
> > >> collaborations??
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> > > > > > > >wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > "...The original deployment system for North
> America..." -
> > >> orn
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > Now I feel confused, used and perhaps abused. I was
> basing
> > >> my
> > >> > > > > comment
> > >> > > > > > > > > on what I thought was a documentary film a few years
> ago
> > >> as
> > >> > > well as
> > >> > > > > > > > > some online research I did at the time.
> > >> > > > > > > > > Now it appears that, even though there remains much
> > >> > > misinformation
> > >> > > > > > > > > about the company, planes and cause of demise, the
> > >> information
> > >> > > may
> > >> > > > > > > > > have been a bit of mythomania. Specifically, I am
> talking
> > >> about
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > Avro Arrow. As I remember it, there were reports,
> films
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > > > > > discussions about it's capability to launch satellites
> > >> into
> > >> > > > > space…now
> > >> > > > > > > > > I can't find the sources. So, will table it for now.
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:24 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Orn, I was referring to your own passage below in
> the
> > >> > > reference
> > >> > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > satellite
> > >> > > > > > > > > > delivery systems...
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > <<<The original deployment system for North America
> was
> > >> going
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in
> the
> > >> > > way.>>>
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > that response I sent was directly pointed to this
> > >> sentence.
> > >> > >  The
> > >> > > > > > > original
> > >> > > > > > > > > > deployment vehicles were always to be rocketry.
>  Big,
> > >> fast,
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > > > ugly.
> > >> > > > > > > > > They
> > >> > > > > > > > > > used rocket delivery instead of aircraft for the
> obvious
> > >> > > reasons,
> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > I am
> > >> > > > > > > > > > sure you know.  Mostly,
> >
>  > ...
> >
> > read more »- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>

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