Touche, and correct.  Do you agree most logic hounds do not want to examine
that side of the coin? Sometimes I have to practically hurt myself to flip
over to the logic side.  Too much art and music can make you resistant to
logic:)


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> "...They seem to do best if wrapped together!" - CB
>
> The truth, examined or not, is that they ARE wrapped together.
>
> On Nov 6, 11:58 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > NICE................
> >
> > Romantic fantasies? too bad so many logicians view emotion as
> > weakness...instead of examining them, and reveling in them! Control,
> > control, control!  Logic, logic, logic!  Methinks it gets worn thin, dry,
> > and not fun:)  Ha, ironic that a logic machine takes us to the moon while
> > the astronauts heart is blazing.  They seem to do best if wrapped
> together!
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different
> > > era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie.
> >
> > > By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that
> > > era. I remember all of this! : - )
> >
> > > And then the musical association from Gigi arose… "Ah, Yes, I Remember
> > > It Well". A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in the
> > > US.
> >
> > >http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html
> >
> > > On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but think
> he
> > > was
> > > > imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:)
> >
> > > > Liked it though.
> >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > Bliss!!!!
> >
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc
> >
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM
> >
> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of the
> time:)
> > > > > But,
> > > > > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my grand
> > > anchor
> > > > > of
> > > > > > logic!
> >
> > > > > > Yes, lyrics are spot on.  Some consider it naivete and illogical.
>  It
> > > has
> > > > > > always kept me from giving up:)  Music! ah, my favorite emotional
> > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > Words and music together? BLISS!
> >
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB
> >
> > > > > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'.
> However,
> > > I
> > > > > > > know it is temporary.
> > > > > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical first
> > > came
> > > > > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too.
> >
> > > > > > >
> http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm
> >
> > > > > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on it
> yet."
> > > –
> > > > > > > CB
> >
> > > > > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The
> > > 'research'
> > > > > > > to date all points one way.
> >
> > > > > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would be...Spacers." –
> CB
> >
> > > > > > > Again, while I love SF too, …………..
> >
> > > > > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB
> >
> > > > > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this.
> > > Secondly,
> > > > > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy itself
> > > soon, I
> > > > > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979.
> >
> > > > > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen.
> Ah,
> > > > > > > well:)" – CB
> >
> > > > > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?!  : - )
> >
> > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get
> one:)
> > > > >  Funny,
> > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing role
> of
> > > US in
> > > > > > > > space.  Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what
> gives in
> > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > four.  Yes, an optimist to the core:)
> >
> > > > > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, but
> had
> > > not
> > > > > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we don't
> have
> > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > research on it yet.  Adaptation in space is buggers for
> anyone
> > > and
> > > > > only a
> > > > > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible
> physically
> > > and
> > > > > > > > psychologically.  I mean, how are they going to get around
> bone
> > > > > density?
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal
> human
> > > that
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > take deep space.  Could never stand Earth G afterword though,
> so
> > > > > space
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be your home.  Just think how different that humanity would
> > > > > be...Spacers.
> >
> > > > > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite NASA
> has
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation.  NO ONE is
> going
> > > to
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > there without that.  If we ever see our way to artificial G's
> > > without
> > > > > > > > rotation!!! Syonara Blue Planet:)
> >
> > > > > > > > Like Arthur C. Clarke, I believe many things are possible in
> > > space
> > > > > and my
> > > > > > > > sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen.
>  Ah,
> > > > > well:)
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > "...What do you think of the future of space stations?..."
> CB
> >
> > > > > > > > > You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that
> their
> > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to
> diminish.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I also have a strange intuition about the overall future of
> > > 'wo/man
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > space' being very dire too, something about not being able
> to
> > > > > adapt.
> >
> > > > > > > > > IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our
> > > 'travel'
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > have to take some other form than what is commonly thought
> of
> > > now
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > most.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked
> me
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time. And
> no,
> > > my
> > > > > > > > > time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying
> the
> > > end is
> > > > > > > > > near! : - )
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Orn,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about
> > > > > aerospace/military,
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > abuse intended to you.  It is a shared hobby/career at my
> > > house,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > met so many interesting people in that industry.  As you
> can
> > > > > tell, I
> > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > close to the military and have family and friends in most
> > > > > government
> > > > > > > > > > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad.  Space
> > > > > propulsion
> > > > > > > is my
> > > > > > > > > > favorite.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for
> manned
> > > > > travel.
> > > > > > > > >  Geeks
> > > > > > > > > > that designed it came out of Canada and started working
> for
> > > > > > > NASA....yep,
> > > > > > > > > 10
> > > > > > > > > > years later "walkin on the moon".  Nice story:)  You
> would
> > > like
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > book...
> >
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html
> >
> > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the future of space stations? Russia
> has
> > > a
> > > > > stick
> > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect
> > > collaborations??
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > "...The original deployment system for North
> America..." -
> > > orn
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Now I feel confused, used and perhaps abused. I was
> basing
> > > my
> > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > > > > > > on what I thought was a documentary film a few years
> ago as
> > > > > well as
> > > > > > > > > > > some online research I did at the time.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now it appears that, even though there remains much
> > > > > misinformation
> > > > > > > > > > > about the company, planes and cause of demise, the
> > > information
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > > > have been a bit of mythomania. Specifically, I am
> talking
> > > about
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Avro Arrow. As I remember it, there were reports, films
> and
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions about it's capability to launch satellites
> into
> > > > > > > space…now
> > > > > > > > > > > I can't find the sources. So, will table it for now.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:24 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Orn, I was referring to your own passage below in the
> > > > > reference
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > satellite
> > > > > > > > > > > > delivery systems...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <<<The original deployment system for North America
> was
> > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be a plane and 'business' and nationalism got in
> the
> > > > > way.>>>
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > that response I sent was directly pointed to this
> > > sentence.
> > > > >  The
> > > > > > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > > > > deployment vehicles were always to be rocketry.  Big,
> > > fast,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > ugly.
> > > > > > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > > > > > used rocket delivery instead of aircraft for the
> obvious
> > > > > reasons,
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > sure you know.  Mostly, I think, because we could
> test
> > > > > missile
> > > > > > > > > > > capabilities
> > > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously demonstrating how far our reach
> > > extended...on
> > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > sides
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > course.  Cold War contest.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > very important stuff, those satellites. practical
> uses
> > > for
> > > > > > > military
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > civilians.  This tech birthed GPS, which was only
> used by
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > military
> > > > > > > > > > > > until, what, the last 10 years?  Not a bad
> innovation.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ode to Arthur C. Clarke:)
> >
>  > ...
> >
> > read more »- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>

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