“Naive longing for an apparently different person?” – CB It appears to me that many who say they are feeling romantic are in fact just projecting upon what they see as a ‘separate’ person their inner longing to the ‘return’ I later talked about.
“Romance as I see it is the chemical processes that create longing/ desire...Help?” – CB Well, the best help I can come up with at the moment is that that which decided to make that analysis about romance and chemical processes was not mere chemical processes. Nor was it mere longing/ desire. “ARE we getting into time here?” – CB Not exactly. “ Eternity? Is time only measurable in local reference?” – CB Relativity has it’s function and is not the all. “We don't have the capacity to measure eternity do we?” – CB With what would you even try to measure it? This is my point. “ I smell string theory!” – CB While I have dabbled a very little with strings/m-branes etc., no, as interesting as the ancient math, which is at the foundation of the current mental machinations about ‘strings’, I left math behind when I recognized it’s subjective nature. And, after the 28 pages of text and 2 weeks of class proving 1+1=2. “…not sure what you mean by reference to the one. Is that the particle theory that there is a smallest of particles in everything in the universe? Set me some markers for this one and I will happily follow:)” – CB Well, not sure you will want to. And, while uncertainty and differing forms of atomism, new and old are of interest to me, I was pointing at the absolute. Since we are using words here to communicate, I won’t immediately retreat into negative theology. The entire notion has been known and approached ‘forever’. For a quick overview from one ancient source of this hypostasis, see: http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm So, thanks for your willingness to come this far. Not being evangelical nor theistic, I make no demands upon the length of your ‘trip’ into these waters. : - ) On Nov 6, 12:38 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Naive longing for an apparently different person? not sure what you mean > there. Rephrase? Romance as I see it is the chemical processes that create > longing/desire...Help? > > ARE we getting into time here? Eternity? Is time only measurable in local > reference? We don't have the capacity to measure eternity do we? I smell > string theory! not sure what you mean by reference to the one. Is that the > particle theory that there is a smallest of particles in everything in the > universe? Set me some markers for this one and I will happily follow:) > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > "…romance is ephemeral at best,…" – CB > > > IF by 'romance' you mean the naïve longing for an apparently different > > person, of course you are correct. ALL things have a beginning, middle > > and end. However, IF one is searching for the return to 'the One', > > then it is a proposition having to do with eternity. > > > On Nov 6, 12:06 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I might also add, I think I am becoming a sourpuss, or at least the kind > > of > > > person that believes romance is ephemeral at best, therefore, unlikely to > > > continue throught time with the same strength, but an ebb and flow... > > > Sometimes the flow goes down the drain!! > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > NICE................ > > > > > Romantic fantasies? too bad so many logicians view emotion as > > > > weakness...instead of examining them, and reveling in them! Control, > > > > control, control! Logic, logic, logic! Methinks it gets worn thin, > > dry, > > > > and not fun:) Ha, ironic that a logic machine takes us to the moon > > while > > > > the astronauts heart is blazing. They seem to do best if wrapped > > together! > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, ornamentalmind < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > >> Truth is I saw precious little eye contact. And, it was a different > > > >> era... much easier to hold romantic fantasies within one's reverie. > > > > >> By the way Ezio, as well as Mary of course, was well known in that > > > >> era. I remember all of this! : - ) > > > > >> And then the musical association from Gigi arose… "Ah, Yes, I Remember > > > >> It Well". A truly simpler and more naïve time… for many of us in the > > > >> US. > > > > >>http://er.neoxer.com/lyrics/gigi.html > > > > >> On Nov 6, 10:21 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > Did you see how the dude was looking at her? I can't help but think > > he > > > >> was > > > >> > imagining an alien under her skin! I laughed out of my chair:) > > > > >> > Liked it though. > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:02 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > >> > > Bliss!!!! > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qpQb11YWc > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOG2x6xhbhM > > > > >> > > On Nov 6, 9:43 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Irrevocably romantic, but I don't like it that way most of the > > > >> time:) > > > >> > > But, > > > >> > > > saying that, admit I can explore emotion without losing my grand > > > >> anchor > > > >> > > of > > > >> > > > logic! > > > > >> > > > Yes, lyrics are spot on. Some consider it naivete and > > illogical. > > > >> It has > > > >> > > > always kept me from giving up:) Music! ah, my favorite > > emotional > > > >> > > vehicle. > > > >> > > > Words and music together? BLISS! > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > > "…Yes, an optimist to the core:)" – CB > > > > >> > > > > Yes, I hesitated because of the current feeling of 'hope'. > > > >> However, I > > > >> > > > > know it is temporary. > > > >> > > > > A song came to mind for 'ya.' I remember when the musical > > first > > > >> came > > > >> > > > > out. I liked this and the rest of 'em too. > > >http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/acockeyedoptimist.htm > > > > >> > > > > "…weaknesses in space, as we don't have enough research on it > > > >> yet." – > > > >> > > > > CB > > > > >> > > > > While I do understand what you mean here, I disagree. The > > > >> 'research' > > > >> > > > > to date all points one way. > > > > >> > > > > "…Just think how different that humanity would be...Spacers." > > – CB > > > > >> > > > > Again, while I love SF too, ………….. > > > > >> > > > > "…Syonara Blue Planet:)" – CB > > > > >> > > > > First, I didn't miss all of your 'if's used prior to this. > > > >> Secondly, > > > >> > > > > even IF this were possible and humanity doesn't destroy itself > > > >> soon, I > > > >> > > > > would draw an analogy with the leak at Sverdlovsk in 1979. > > > > >> > > > > "…my sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all > > happen. > > > >> Ah, > > > >> > > > > well:)" – CB > > > > >> > > > > Ahhh, a romantic too, eh?! : - ) > > > > >>http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/someenchantedevening.htm > > > > >> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:05 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > It does not matter if I like the answer - just that I get > > one:) > > > >> > > Funny, > > > >> > > > > last > > > >> > > > > > week I would have agreed with you about the diminishing role > > of > > > >> US in > > > >> > > > > > space. Now, I will take a rain check on it and see what > > gives > > > >> in the > > > >> > > > > next > > > >> > > > > > four. Yes, an optimist to the core:) > > > > >> > > > > > Woman in space? I know we can take higher sustained G's, but > > had > > > >> not > > > >> > > > > > lent credence to proposed weaknesses in space, as we don't > > have > > > >> > > enough > > > >> > > > > > research on it yet. Adaptation in space is buggers for > > anyone > > > >> and > > > >> > > only a > > > >> > > > > > generational route can make that adaptation feasible > > physically > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > > psychologically. I mean, how are they going to get around > > bone > > > >> > > density? > > > >> > > > > one > > > >> > > > > > avenue is genetic engineering to evolve a musculoskeletal > > human > > > >> that > > > >> > > can > > > >> > > > > > take deep space. Could never stand Earth G afterword > > though, so > > > >> > > space > > > >> > > > > would > > > >> > > > > > be your home. Just think how different that humanity would > > > >> > > be...Spacers. > > > > >> > > > > > One thing that I hope develops quickly is this composite > > NASA > > > >> has > > > >> > > been > > > >> > > > > > working on (for years) that combats radiation. NO ONE is > > going > > > >> to > > > >> > > last > > > >> > > > > out > > > >> > > > > > there without that. If we ever see our way to artificial > > G's > > > >> without > > > >> > > > > > rotation!!! Syonara Blue Planet:) > > > > >> > > > > > Like Arthur C. Clarke, I believe many things are possible in > > > >> space > > > >> > > and my > > > >> > > > > > sweetest wish it to live long enough to see it all happen. > > Ah, > > > >> > > well:) > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:51 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > "...What do you think of the future of space stations?..." > > CB > > > > >> > > > > > > You may not like my answer. What I THINK about it is that > > > >> their > > > >> > > future > > > >> > > > > > > is very dire. And the role of the US will continue to > > > >> diminish. > > > > >> > > > > > > I also have a strange intuition about the overall future > > of > > > >> 'wo/man > > > >> > > in > > > >> > > > > > > space' being very dire too, something about not being able > > to > > > >> > > adapt. > > > > >> > > > > > > IF huwo/manity survives, a low probability, it seems our > > > >> 'travel' > > > >> > > may > > > >> > > > > > > have to take some other form than what is commonly thought > > of > > > >> now > > > >> > > by > > > >> > > > > > > most. > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you for asking! I don't think anyone has ever asked > > me > > > >> this > > > >> > > > > > > before, yet I've been contemplating it for a long time. > > And > > > >> no, my > > > >> > > > > > > time is not spent walking the streets with a sign saying > > the > > > >> end is > > > >> > > > > > > near! : - ) > > > > >> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > Orn, > > > > >> > > > > > > > Oh, I guess I jumped on any excuse to talk about > > > >> > > aerospace/military, > > > >> > > > > no > > > >> > > > > > > > abuse intended to you. It is a shared hobby/career at > > my > > > >> house, > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > I > > > >> > > > > > > have > > > >> > > > > > > > met so many interesting people in that industry. As you > > can > > > >> > > tell, I > > > >> > > > > am > > > >> > > > > > > > close to the military and have family and friends in > > most > > > >> > > government > > > >> > > > > > > > agencies, and love to discuss them, good and bad. Space > > > >> > > propulsion > > > >> > > > > is my > > > >> > > > > > > > favorite. > > > > >> > > > > > > > Remember hearing about Avro Arrow but it was more for > > manned > > > >> > > travel. > > > >> > > > > > > Geeks > > > >> > > > > > > > that designed it came out of Canada and started working > > for > > > >> > > > > NASA....yep, > > > >> > > > > > > 10 > > > >> > > > > > > > years later "walkin on the moon". Nice story:) You > > would > > > >> like > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > > > > > book... > > > > >> > > > > > > >http://www.avroarrow.org/AvroArrow/Avroengineers.html > > > > >> > > > > > > > What do you think of the future of space stations? > > Russia > > > >> has a > > > >> > > stick > > > >> > > > > up > > > >> > > > > > > its > > > >> > > > > > > > bum right now, so wonder how that will affect > > > >> collaborations?? > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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