"... I would love to get smacked over the head with something trancendental! ...Anytime now would be great though..." - CB
Say I Am You http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58o8c_mevlana-celaleddini-rumi-say-i-am-y_music On Nov 17, 12:39 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Orn, I will not depreciating your gnosis in any way intentionally. I > admit to wearing blinders concerning anything approaching the metaphysical. > Also, my stubbornmost self dictates that I color within the lines of > determinism/scientific naturalism. Probably you would consider it a > handicapped life. It is a weird twist that I am third generation artist with > all the accompanying skills, but hardwired with an enduring affinity for all > things scientific. It was a painful personal paradox to live with...at > first. But, it is possible to create great art with only emotion > and technical skill sans the influences of supernaturalism, so I > have found balance. I'm not special in this mix of science and art though, > there have been many with the most famous of them being Leonardo Da Vinci. > He was the same wierd mix of creative and mechanical ( in no way assume I > liken my skills to his, or that my ego is that big:)). Too many artistic > stereotypes have shaped our perceptions of what it takes to be a career > artist and turned it into a overly emotive silly-stupid acid-eating > caricature of the real thing (not to say that many "artists" > are not nutjobs) or that you have to be in excruciating depression or pain > to do "great art". Big joke that one! Many do promote the image of the > artist as a conduit of metaphysical energies. > > Methods of apprehension trancending the physical? I fall short of that > because I feel all methods of apprehension are purely physical in a physical > universe. I would love to get smacked over the head with something > trancendental! I feel cheated sometimes because I have never experienced > anything remotely paranormal. No ghosts, voices, premonitions, > coincidences, etc. Anytime now would be great though:) > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > "…so what is the trump card after all???" – CB > > > Of course we all have our own individual notions of what is > > attractive, what is not-attractive and what is neutral. This applies > > to just about everything, doesn't it? > > > Any 'answers' to your query CB will most likely be based upon an > > individual bias and, perhaps limited view. This gives me an > > opportunity to implement a recent addition to my vocabulary, > > gnosiology. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosiology > > > It appears to include all ways of 'knowing'. Not just a few. And, the > > 'glow' I meant was not just physical health. It included methods of > > apprehension transcending just the physical. > > > On Nov 17, 11:23 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Trance like state? More like prevailing desperation to get and hang on to > > > the best that you can be whether it is mentally/physically good for you > > or > > > not. Nasty bit of delusion. The guys on the cover of Men's Health are > > no > > > more realistic than what is on Vogue. Liz's earlier painting was based > > on > > > Greek/Roman ideals of womanly beauty which was pre-surgery, lipo, > > > air-brushing, extreme fitness freak-outs, right? If I were to guess at > > what > > > we should look like without all this delusional crap, that lady in her > > > painting would be close to base-natural. She looks chubby - but not > > exactly > > > flabby....more BMI neutral. > > > > Just my personal opinion, but most of the research that I have > > > read/experienced with beauty (and all the nudes I've drawn) have all > > pointed > > > to the physically healthy and symmetrical as the epitome of > > > beautiful. It's interesting to be in a room with supremely athletic > > people > > > and have a non-athletic beauty walk in. She or he will > > > seem somehow diminished with the obviously healthy choices to > > investigate. > > > Judging beauty in the flesh is so different because of the additional > > > variables that go into play. A two dimensional portrait we judge on > > limited > > > senses of symmetry and the current cultural ideal sans pheremones in > > smell, > > > contact, and moving body language, voice tone, message, etc. That lady > > in > > > Liz's painting appeared too fat for most of us today, especially those > > that > > > are happy-complacent with the current ideal of emaciation. > > > > So, symmetry and cosmetic surgery is effective, but does not trump health > > > and happiness ( as Orn mentioned that "glow"). Find the golden mean, > > whether > > > it is plastic or not, and you usually find what most everyone will > > > qualify as beautiful in every culture. I personally believe that smell > > and > > > overall body symmetry is possibly more powerful. Maybe our inner caveman > > > keeps a weather eye open for all and any possible mates? I've met some > > less > > > than standard-cute people that were uber-attractive, so what is the trump > > > card after all??? > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many women. > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the female > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, length > > > > nails, texture of skin etc. > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific shapes > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance is > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful. > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad and > > > > have a sad life. > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a Google > > > > search > > > > > > to > > > > > > see what else he has to offer. > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > other > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!! > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then. Now it takes so > > much > > > > work > > > > > > > and/or surgery... > > > > > > > > LIz > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of BC > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > other > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg] > > > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a 20-spot. > > > > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
