"... I would love to get smacked over the head with something
trancendental! ...Anytime now would be great though..." - CB

Say I Am You

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On Nov 17, 12:39 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Orn, I will not depreciating your gnosis in any way intentionally.  I
> admit to wearing blinders concerning anything approaching the metaphysical.
> Also, my stubbornmost self dictates that I color within the lines of
> determinism/scientific naturalism.  Probably you would consider it a
> handicapped life. It is a weird twist that I am third generation artist with
> all the accompanying skills, but hardwired with an enduring affinity for all
> things scientific.  It was a painful personal paradox to live with...at
> first. But, it is possible to create great art with only emotion
> and technical skill sans the influences of supernaturalism, so I
> have found balance. I'm not special in this mix of science and art though,
> there have been many with the most famous of them being Leonardo Da Vinci.
> He was the same wierd mix of creative and mechanical ( in no way assume I
> liken my skills to his, or that my ego is that big:)). Too many artistic
> stereotypes have shaped our perceptions of what it takes to be a career
> artist and turned it into a overly emotive silly-stupid acid-eating
> caricature of the real thing (not to say that many "artists"
> are not nutjobs) or that you have to be in excruciating depression or pain
> to do "great art".  Big joke that one! Many do promote the image of the
> artist as a conduit of metaphysical energies.
>
> Methods of apprehension trancending the physical? I fall short of that
> because I feel all methods of apprehension are purely physical in a physical
> universe.  I would love to get smacked over the head with something
> trancendental! I feel cheated sometimes because I have never experienced
> anything remotely paranormal.  No ghosts, voices, premonitions,
> coincidences, etc. Anytime now would be great though:)
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "…so what is the trump card after all???" – CB
>
> > Of course we all have our own individual notions of what is
> > attractive, what is not-attractive and what is neutral. This applies
> > to just about everything, doesn't it?
>
> > Any 'answers' to your query CB will most likely be based upon an
> > individual bias and, perhaps limited view. This gives me an
> > opportunity to implement a recent addition to my vocabulary,
> > gnosiology.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosiology
>
> > It appears to include all ways of 'knowing'. Not just a few. And, the
> > 'glow' I meant was not just physical health. It included methods of
> > apprehension transcending just the physical.
>
> > On Nov 17, 11:23 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Trance like state? More like prevailing desperation to get and hang on to
> > > the best that you can be whether it is mentally/physically good for you
> > or
> > > not.  Nasty bit of delusion.  The guys on the cover of Men's Health are
> > no
> > > more realistic than what is on Vogue.  Liz's earlier painting was based
> > on
> > > Greek/Roman ideals of womanly beauty which was pre-surgery, lipo,
> > > air-brushing, extreme fitness freak-outs, right? If I were to guess at
> > what
> > > we should look like without all this delusional crap, that lady in her
> > > painting would be close to base-natural.  She looks chubby - but not
> > exactly
> > > flabby....more BMI neutral.
>
> > > Just my personal opinion, but most of the research that I have
> > > read/experienced with beauty (and all the nudes I've drawn) have all
> > pointed
> > > to the physically healthy and symmetrical as the epitome of
> > > beautiful. It's interesting to be in a room with supremely athletic
> > people
> > > and have a non-athletic beauty walk in. She or he will
> > > seem somehow diminished with the obviously healthy choices to
> > investigate.
> > >  Judging beauty in the flesh is so different because of the additional
> > > variables that go into play. A two dimensional portrait we judge on
> > limited
> > > senses of symmetry and the current cultural ideal sans pheremones in
> > smell,
> > > contact, and moving body language, voice tone, message, etc.  That lady
> > in
> > > Liz's painting appeared too fat for most of us today, especially those
> > that
> > > are happy-complacent with the current ideal of emaciation.
>
> > > So, symmetry and cosmetic surgery is effective, but does not trump health
> > > and happiness ( as Orn mentioned that "glow"). Find the golden mean,
> > whether
> > > it is plastic or not, and you usually find what most everyone will
> > > qualify as beautiful in every culture. I personally believe that smell
> > and
> > > overall body symmetry is possibly more powerful.  Maybe our inner caveman
> > > keeps a weather eye open for all and any possible mates? I've met some
> > less
> > > than standard-cute people that were uber-attractive, so what is the trump
> > > card after all???
>
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, ornamentalmind
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the
> > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising
> > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many women.
>
> > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the female
> > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, length
> > > > nails, texture of skin etc.
>
> > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific shapes
> > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful
> > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance is
> > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
>
> > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad and
> > > > have a sad life.
>
> > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
>
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >wrote:
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> > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a Google
> > > > search
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see what else he has to offer.
>
> > > > > > liz
>
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM
> > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > other
> > > > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!!
>
> > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes so
> > much
> > > > work
> > > > > > > and/or surgery...
>
> > > > > > > LIz
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of BC
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > other
> > > > > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg]
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> > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a 20-spot.
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