I can enjoy "Say I Am You", and celebrate the visions and music with all of my apparent five senses. Of all the senses I believe the ability to feel/hear music is one of my favorite conduits. Music is the pure percussive power of sound waves and combined with visual stimulation, can jump-start chemical/physical euphoria that can appear to be another sense...or is it just a combination/cocktail of all of them that makes it appear that way?
I can feel larger than life listening to this:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSfs5PKnKI On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > "... I would love to get smacked over the head with something > trancendental! ...Anytime now would be great though..." - CB > > Say I Am You > > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58o8c_mevlana-celaleddini-rumi-say-i-am-y_music > > > > On Nov 17, 12:39 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Orn, I will not depreciating your gnosis in any way intentionally. I > > admit to wearing blinders concerning anything approaching the > metaphysical. > > Also, my stubbornmost self dictates that I color within the lines of > > determinism/scientific naturalism. Probably you would consider it a > > handicapped life. It is a weird twist that I am third generation artist > with > > all the accompanying skills, but hardwired with an enduring affinity for > all > > things scientific. It was a painful personal paradox to live with...at > > first. But, it is possible to create great art with only emotion > > and technical skill sans the influences of supernaturalism, so I > > have found balance. I'm not special in this mix of science and art > though, > > there have been many with the most famous of them being Leonardo Da > Vinci. > > He was the same wierd mix of creative and mechanical ( in no way assume I > > liken my skills to his, or that my ego is that big:)). Too many artistic > > stereotypes have shaped our perceptions of what it takes to be a career > > artist and turned it into a overly emotive silly-stupid acid-eating > > caricature of the real thing (not to say that many "artists" > > are not nutjobs) or that you have to be in excruciating depression or > pain > > to do "great art". Big joke that one! Many do promote the image of the > > artist as a conduit of metaphysical energies. > > > > Methods of apprehension trancending the physical? I fall short of that > > because I feel all methods of apprehension are purely physical in a > physical > > universe. I would love to get smacked over the head with something > > trancendental! I feel cheated sometimes because I have never experienced > > anything remotely paranormal. No ghosts, voices, premonitions, > > coincidences, etc. Anytime now would be great though:) > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, ornamentalmind < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "…so what is the trump card after all???" – CB > > > > > Of course we all have our own individual notions of what is > > > attractive, what is not-attractive and what is neutral. This applies > > > to just about everything, doesn't it? > > > > > Any 'answers' to your query CB will most likely be based upon an > > > individual bias and, perhaps limited view. This gives me an > > > opportunity to implement a recent addition to my vocabulary, > > > gnosiology. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosiology > > > > > It appears to include all ways of 'knowing'. Not just a few. And, the > > > 'glow' I meant was not just physical health. It included methods of > > > apprehension transcending just the physical. > > > > > On Nov 17, 11:23 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Trance like state? More like prevailing desperation to get and hang > on to > > > > the best that you can be whether it is mentally/physically good for > you > > > or > > > > not. Nasty bit of delusion. The guys on the cover of Men's Health > are > > > no > > > > more realistic than what is on Vogue. Liz's earlier painting was > based > > > on > > > > Greek/Roman ideals of womanly beauty which was pre-surgery, lipo, > > > > air-brushing, extreme fitness freak-outs, right? If I were to guess > at > > > what > > > > we should look like without all this delusional crap, that lady in > her > > > > painting would be close to base-natural. She looks chubby - but not > > > exactly > > > > flabby....more BMI neutral. > > > > > > Just my personal opinion, but most of the research that I have > > > > read/experienced with beauty (and all the nudes I've drawn) have all > > > pointed > > > > to the physically healthy and symmetrical as the epitome of > > > > beautiful. It's interesting to be in a room with supremely athletic > > > people > > > > and have a non-athletic beauty walk in. She or he will > > > > seem somehow diminished with the obviously healthy choices to > > > investigate. > > > > Judging beauty in the flesh is so different because of the > additional > > > > variables that go into play. A two dimensional portrait we judge on > > > limited > > > > senses of symmetry and the current cultural ideal sans pheremones in > > > smell, > > > > contact, and moving body language, voice tone, message, etc. That > lady > > > in > > > > Liz's painting appeared too fat for most of us today, especially > those > > > that > > > > are happy-complacent with the current ideal of emaciation. > > > > > > So, symmetry and cosmetic surgery is effective, but does not trump > health > > > > and happiness ( as Orn mentioned that "glow"). Find the golden mean, > > > whether > > > > it is plastic or not, and you usually find what most everyone will > > > > qualify as beautiful in every culture. I personally believe that > smell > > > and > > > > overall body symmetry is possibly more powerful. Maybe our inner > caveman > > > > keeps a weather eye open for all and any possible mates? I've met > some > > > less > > > > than standard-cute people that were uber-attractive, so what is the > trump > > > > card after all??? > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many women. > > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the female > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, > length > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc. > > > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific > shapes > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance is > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful. > > > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad > and > > > > > have a sad life. > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a > Google > > > > > search > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > see what else he has to offer. > > > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > > other > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!! > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then. Now it takes > so > > > much > > > > > work > > > > > > > > and/or surgery... > > > > > > > > > > LIz > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of BC > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking > for > > > other > > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg] > > > > > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a > 20-spot. > > > > > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
