“Does that sound like transcendence?” – CB It sounds like the longing for unity that all humans posses, innately.
As to other senses, lists differ for different systems. One quick example is the kinesthetic sense. The states are all too easy to research. When it comes to walls, one can in fact walk through them. This only requires one to be in the dream state! On Nov 18, 7:04 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Morning Orn! > > No, It does not feel like a reduction to the 5 senses ( to me ) but it could > be construed as a combination that feels like a sixth or seventh possibly? > Beautiful synergies cresting like waves smashing down. That switch flips for > me everytime I hear the right tunes. It's like dancing to your favorite > groove..for instance at a gig with your favorite band - you can see them > step inside thier music on stage and see the crowd go along with. Feel the > percussion of the soundwaves pounding out of the monitors, feel your > heartbeat matching rythm with the drums/bass, touch shoulders with the > audience that is experiencing the same vibes, taste the salt of your sweat, > move yourself until you can hardly stand. No outside drugs necessary > because yours are on overload...I don't see anything but synergy there. I > don't just listen to music, I crave it:) Does that sound like > transcendence? > > explain other senses and states? I am convinced I can see through a brick > wall with time:) > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > "I can feel larger than life listening to this:)…" – CB > > > Yes, this music, similar to Ravel's "Bolero", is trance like. This, > > regardless of the 5 senses you mention, can produce a state other than > > that we consider 'normal'. And, all the better! Oh, you did mention > > that you enjoyed it. Then you appear to reduce this state to a > > chemical reaction and see it as being separate from the 5 senses. Or, > > as you say something that appears to be another one. Quite strange in > > my view. There are more senses than 5 and there are more states than > > commonly thought. > > > On Nov 17, 1:41 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I can enjoy "Say I Am You", and celebrate the visions and music with all > > of > > > my apparent five senses. Of all the senses I believe the ability to > > > feel/hear music is one of my favorite conduits. Music is the pure > > > percussive power of sound waves and combined with visual stimulation, can > > > jump-start chemical/physical euphoria that can appear to be another > > > sense...or is it just a combination/cocktail of all of them that makes it > > > appear that way? > > > > I can feel larger than life listening to this:) > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSfs5PKnKI > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, ornamentalmind < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > "... I would love to get smacked over the head with something > > > > trancendental! ...Anytime now would be great though..." - CB > > > > > Say I Am You > > > > >http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58o8c_mevlana-celaleddini-rumi-say-. > > .. > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:39 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Orn, I will not depreciating your gnosis in any way intentionally. I > > > > > admit to wearing blinders concerning anything approaching the > > > > metaphysical. > > > > > Also, my stubbornmost self dictates that I color within the lines of > > > > > determinism/scientific naturalism. Probably you would consider it a > > > > > handicapped life. It is a weird twist that I am third generation > > artist > > > > with > > > > > all the accompanying skills, but hardwired with an enduring affinity > > for > > > > all > > > > > things scientific. It was a painful personal paradox to live > > with...at > > > > > first. But, it is possible to create great art with only emotion > > > > > and technical skill sans the influences of supernaturalism, so I > > > > > have found balance. I'm not special in this mix of science and art > > > > though, > > > > > there have been many with the most famous of them being Leonardo Da > > > > Vinci. > > > > > He was the same wierd mix of creative and mechanical ( in no way > > assume I > > > > > liken my skills to his, or that my ego is that big:)). Too many > > artistic > > > > > stereotypes have shaped our perceptions of what it takes to be a > > career > > > > > artist and turned it into a overly emotive silly-stupid acid-eating > > > > > caricature of the real thing (not to say that many "artists" > > > > > are not nutjobs) or that you have to be in excruciating depression or > > > > pain > > > > > to do "great art". Big joke that one! Many do promote the image of > > the > > > > > artist as a conduit of metaphysical energies. > > > > > > Methods of apprehension trancending the physical? I fall short of > > that > > > > > because I feel all methods of apprehension are purely physical in a > > > > physical > > > > > universe. I would love to get smacked over the head with something > > > > > trancendental! I feel cheated sometimes because I have never > > experienced > > > > > anything remotely paranormal. No ghosts, voices, premonitions, > > > > > coincidences, etc. Anytime now would be great though:) > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > "…so what is the trump card after all???" – CB > > > > > > > Of course we all have our own individual notions of what is > > > > > > attractive, what is not-attractive and what is neutral. This > > applies > > > > > > to just about everything, doesn't it? > > > > > > > Any 'answers' to your query CB will most likely be based upon an > > > > > > individual bias and, perhaps limited view. This gives me an > > > > > > opportunity to implement a recent addition to my vocabulary, > > > > > > gnosiology. > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosiology > > > > > > > It appears to include all ways of 'knowing'. Not just a few. And, > > the > > > > > > 'glow' I meant was not just physical health. It included methods of > > > > > > apprehension transcending just the physical. > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 11:23 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Trance like state? More like prevailing desperation to get and > > hang > > > > on to > > > > > > > the best that you can be whether it is mentally/physically good > > for > > > > you > > > > > > or > > > > > > > not. Nasty bit of delusion. The guys on the cover of Men's > > Health > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > more realistic than what is on Vogue. Liz's earlier painting was > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Greek/Roman ideals of womanly beauty which was pre-surgery, lipo, > > > > > > > air-brushing, extreme fitness freak-outs, right? If I were to > > guess > > > > at > > > > > > what > > > > > > > we should look like without all this delusional crap, that lady > > in > > > > her > > > > > > > painting would be close to base-natural. She looks chubby - but > > not > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > flabby....more BMI neutral. > > > > > > > > Just my personal opinion, but most of the research that I have > > > > > > > read/experienced with beauty (and all the nudes I've drawn) have > > all > > > > > > pointed > > > > > > > to the physically healthy and symmetrical as the epitome of > > > > > > > beautiful. It's interesting to be in a room with supremely > > athletic > > > > > > people > > > > > > > and have a non-athletic beauty walk in. She or he will > > > > > > > seem somehow diminished with the obviously healthy choices to > > > > > > investigate. > > > > > > > Judging beauty in the flesh is so different because of the > > > > additional > > > > > > > variables that go into play. A two dimensional portrait we judge > > on > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > senses of symmetry and the current cultural ideal sans pheremones > > in > > > > > > smell, > > > > > > > contact, and moving body language, voice tone, message, etc. > > That > > > > lady > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Liz's painting appeared too fat for most of us today, especially > > > > those > > > > > > that > > > > > > > are happy-complacent with the current ideal of emaciation. > > > > > > > > So, symmetry and cosmetic surgery is effective, but does not > > trump > > > > health > > > > > > > and happiness ( as Orn mentioned that "glow"). Find the golden > > mean, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > it is plastic or not, and you usually find what most everyone > > will > > > > > > > qualify as beautiful in every culture. I personally believe that > > > > smell > > > > > > and > > > > > > > overall body symmetry is possibly more powerful. Maybe our inner > > > > caveman > > > > > > > keeps a weather eye open for all and any possible mates? I've met > > > > some > > > > > > less > > > > > > > than standard-cute people that were uber-attractive, so what is > > the > > > > trump > > > > > > > card after all??? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in > > the > > > > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry > > advertising > > > > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly > > > > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many > > women. > > > > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been > > quite > > > > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the > > female > > > > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a > > > > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, > > > > length > > > > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc. > > > > > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific > > > > shapes > > > > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact > > beautiful > > > > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure > > radiance is > > > > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful. > > > > > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be > > sad > > > > and > > > > > > > > have a sad life. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
