“I can feel larger than life listening to this:)…” – CB

Yes, this music, similar to Ravel’s “Bolero”, is trance like. This,
regardless of the 5 senses you mention, can produce a state other than
that we consider ‘normal’. And, all the better! Oh, you did mention
that you enjoyed it. Then you appear to reduce this state to a
chemical reaction and see it as being separate from the 5 senses. Or,
as you say something that appears to be another one. Quite strange in
my view. There are more senses than 5 and there are more states than
commonly thought.


On Nov 17, 1:41 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can enjoy "Say I Am You", and celebrate the visions and music with all of
> my apparent five senses. Of all the senses I believe the ability to
> feel/hear music is one of my favorite conduits.  Music is the pure
> percussive power of sound waves and combined with visual stimulation, can
> jump-start chemical/physical euphoria that can appear to be another
> sense...or is it just a combination/cocktail of all of them that makes it
> appear that way?
>
> I can feel larger than life listening to this:)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSfs5PKnKI
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:16 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "... I would love to get smacked over the head with something
> > trancendental! ...Anytime now would be great though..." - CB
>
> > Say I Am You
>
> >http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58o8c_mevlana-celaleddini-rumi-say-...
>
> > On Nov 17, 12:39 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Orn, I will not depreciating your gnosis in any way intentionally.  I
> > > admit to wearing blinders concerning anything approaching the
> > metaphysical.
> > > Also, my stubbornmost self dictates that I color within the lines of
> > > determinism/scientific naturalism.  Probably you would consider it a
> > > handicapped life. It is a weird twist that I am third generation artist
> > with
> > > all the accompanying skills, but hardwired with an enduring affinity for
> > all
> > > things scientific.  It was a painful personal paradox to live with...at
> > > first. But, it is possible to create great art with only emotion
> > > and technical skill sans the influences of supernaturalism, so I
> > > have found balance. I'm not special in this mix of science and art
> > though,
> > > there have been many with the most famous of them being Leonardo Da
> > Vinci.
> > > He was the same wierd mix of creative and mechanical ( in no way assume I
> > > liken my skills to his, or that my ego is that big:)). Too many artistic
> > > stereotypes have shaped our perceptions of what it takes to be a career
> > > artist and turned it into a overly emotive silly-stupid acid-eating
> > > caricature of the real thing (not to say that many "artists"
> > > are not nutjobs) or that you have to be in excruciating depression or
> > pain
> > > to do "great art".  Big joke that one! Many do promote the image of the
> > > artist as a conduit of metaphysical energies.
>
> > > Methods of apprehension trancending the physical? I fall short of that
> > > because I feel all methods of apprehension are purely physical in a
> > physical
> > > universe.  I would love to get smacked over the head with something
> > > trancendental! I feel cheated sometimes because I have never experienced
> > > anything remotely paranormal.  No ghosts, voices, premonitions,
> > > coincidences, etc. Anytime now would be great though:)
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > "…so what is the trump card after all???" – CB
>
> > > > Of course we all have our own individual notions of what is
> > > > attractive, what is not-attractive and what is neutral. This applies
> > > > to just about everything, doesn't it?
>
> > > > Any 'answers' to your query CB will most likely be based upon an
> > > > individual bias and, perhaps limited view. This gives me an
> > > > opportunity to implement a recent addition to my vocabulary,
> > > > gnosiology.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosiology
>
> > > > It appears to include all ways of 'knowing'. Not just a few. And, the
> > > > 'glow' I meant was not just physical health. It included methods of
> > > > apprehension transcending just the physical.
>
> > > > On Nov 17, 11:23 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Trance like state? More like prevailing desperation to get and hang
> > on to
> > > > > the best that you can be whether it is mentally/physically good for
> > you
> > > > or
> > > > > not.  Nasty bit of delusion.  The guys on the cover of Men's Health
> > are
> > > > no
> > > > > more realistic than what is on Vogue.  Liz's earlier painting was
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > Greek/Roman ideals of womanly beauty which was pre-surgery, lipo,
> > > > > air-brushing, extreme fitness freak-outs, right? If I were to guess
> > at
> > > > what
> > > > > we should look like without all this delusional crap, that lady in
> > her
> > > > > painting would be close to base-natural.  She looks chubby - but not
> > > > exactly
> > > > > flabby....more BMI neutral.
>
> > > > > Just my personal opinion, but most of the research that I have
> > > > > read/experienced with beauty (and all the nudes I've drawn) have all
> > > > pointed
> > > > > to the physically healthy and symmetrical as the epitome of
> > > > > beautiful. It's interesting to be in a room with supremely athletic
> > > > people
> > > > > and have a non-athletic beauty walk in. She or he will
> > > > > seem somehow diminished with the obviously healthy choices to
> > > > investigate.
> > > > >  Judging beauty in the flesh is so different because of the
> > additional
> > > > > variables that go into play. A two dimensional portrait we judge on
> > > > limited
> > > > > senses of symmetry and the current cultural ideal sans pheremones in
> > > > smell,
> > > > > contact, and moving body language, voice tone, message, etc.  That
> > lady
> > > > in
> > > > > Liz's painting appeared too fat for most of us today, especially
> > those
> > > > that
> > > > > are happy-complacent with the current ideal of emaciation.
>
> > > > > So, symmetry and cosmetic surgery is effective, but does not trump
> > health
> > > > > and happiness ( as Orn mentioned that "glow"). Find the golden mean,
> > > > whether
> > > > > it is plastic or not, and you usually find what most everyone will
> > > > > qualify as beautiful in every culture. I personally believe that
> > smell
> > > > and
> > > > > overall body symmetry is possibly more powerful.  Maybe our inner
> > caveman
> > > > > keeps a weather eye open for all and any possible mates? I've met
> > some
> > > > less
> > > > > than standard-cute people that were uber-attractive, so what is the
> > trump
> > > > > card after all???
>
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM, ornamentalmind
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the
> > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising
> > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many women.
>
> > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the female
> > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height,
> > length
> > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc.
>
> > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific
> > shapes
> > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful
> > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance is
> > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
>
> > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad
> > and
> > > > > > have a sad life.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
>
> > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a
> > Google
> > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see what else he has to offer.
>
> > > > > > > > liz
>
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!!
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes
> > so
> > > > much
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > and/or surgery...
>
> > > > > > > > > LIz
>
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of BC
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking
> > for
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg]
>
> > > > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a
> > 20-spot.
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