Being fat probably has to do with evolution.  However, we don't have
famines frequently any more; therefore, carrying around all that extra
fat to stave off starvation is just a waste of time and effort.  I
would just lose it so you don't have carry around the extra
poundage.

On Nov 17, 5:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think a lot of it is an evolution of cultural norms  .  I don't think
> younger people are as Emily Post when it comes to opening  doors as us old 
> farts.  
> I am sometimes worried that a woman will give me an  "I can open a door
> myself" attitude.  It pisses some women off.  The  whole woman is property 
> thing.  
> Times are changing.  
>
> J.
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2008 4:41:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." -  Liz
>
> Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see  as
> the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented  wisdom,
> the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door opening,  as
> much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has  not
> been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our culture  and/
> or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being  politically
> correct.
>
> On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Although I agree that beauty can  be more than skin deep, I've always
> thought
> > men were likely to respond  first to positive visual stimulation.  If, after
> > the attention  was caught, then other factors like personality or
> > intelligence  entered into the picture.  I've thought about just this
> subject
> >  more and more as I get older and realize that with every year that  passes,
> > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where  once even the
> > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and  older do.  I imagine at
> > some point that the few men who respond  to me in such a fashion will be
> > doing so out of pity when I am old and  unable to open the door myself.
>
> >   Because of the loss of  status I feel as I age (and also for other
> > reasons), I am educating  myself and developing myself in ways that have
> > little to nothing to do  with the way I look.  I don't want to be caught
> > unprepared when  at last the body completely gives and the face sags.  
>
> > I  am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I stop
> >  smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them.  I  think
> > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even  devastating
> > because it seems as though women  become invisible as  they lose their
> > beauty.
>
> > This was sort of a rambling  email.  Sort of stream of consciousness...
>
> >  liz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> >  ornamentalmind
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM
> > To:  Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found  it while looking for other
> > pictures
>
> > What is obvious to  me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the
> > current US culture,  the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising
> > along with programs on  corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > successful in producing a  trance like state within too many women.
>
> > The ‘avarousness’  found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > successful in  supplanting a clear view of reality within the female
> > brain with one  of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > lack...lack of beauty,  lack of the right shape, color, height, length
> > nails, texture of skin  etc.
>
> > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates  specific shapes
> > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in  fact beautiful
> > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure  radiance is
> > immediately apprehended as being  beautiful.
>
> > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty  appear to be sad and
> > have a sad life.
>
> > On Nov 17,  8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
>
> > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at  9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > I'm not  familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a Google
> >  search
> > > > to
> > > > see what else he has to  offer.
>
> > > > liz
>
> > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > >  >  ornamentalmind
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008  8:36 PM
> > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> >  > > pictures
>
> > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of  Sandro Botticelli!!!
>
> > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > See,  ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes so much
> >  work
> > > > > and/or surgery...
>
> > > > >  LIz
>
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > > From: [email protected]
>
> >  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  Of BC
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> >  > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> >  > > > pictures
>
> > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am,  "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >  > [The+Wave.jpg]
>
> > > > > That is a nice pic; but she  could stand to lose about a 20-spot.
> > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted  text -
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