"...Some people get get lifter's/runner's high when they work out and
love to feel strong..." - CB

Somehow the old saw "No pain, no gain." comes to mind. A ridiculous
phrase if ever there was one.


On Nov 18, 10:20 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed:) Some people get get lifter's/runner's high when they work out and
> love to feel strong. I personally think people need to reconnect with that
> aspect of being human because it can produce awesome feelings of well-being,
> of "being" a well tuned organic machine.  Of course that does not mean you
> have to be muscular.  Excess fat is good for no-one except Manatees and
> Whales...
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jason (Memphis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > Being fat probably has to do with evolution.  However, we don't have
> > famines frequently any more; therefore, carrying around all that extra
> > fat to stave off starvation is just a waste of time and effort.  I
> > would just lose it so you don't have carry around the extra
> > poundage.
>
> > On Nov 17, 5:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I think a lot of it is an evolution of cultural norms  .  I don't think
> > > younger people are as Emily Post when it comes to opening  doors as us
> > old farts.
> > > I am sometimes worried that a woman will give me an  "I can open a door
> > > myself" attitude.  It pisses some women off.  The  whole woman is
> > property thing.
> > > Times are changing.
>
> > > J.
>
> > > In a message dated 11/17/2008 4:41:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>
> >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." -  Liz
>
> > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see  as
> > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented  wisdom,
> > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door opening,  as
> > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has  not
> > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our culture  and/
> > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being  politically
> > > correct.
>
> > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Although I agree that beauty can  be more than skin deep, I've always
> > > thought
> > > > men were likely to respond  first to positive visual stimulation.  If,
> > after
> > > > the attention  was caught, then other factors like personality or
> > > > intelligence  entered into the picture.  I've thought about just this
> > > subject
> > > >  more and more as I get older and realize that with every year that
> >  passes,
> > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where  once even the
> > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and  older do.  I
> > imagine at
> > > > some point that the few men who respond  to me in such a fashion will
> > be
> > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and  unable to open the door myself.
>
> > > >   Because of the loss of  status I feel as I age (and also for other
> > > > reasons), I am educating  myself and developing myself in ways that
> > have
> > > > little to nothing to do  with the way I look.  I don't want to be
> > caught
> > > > unprepared when  at last the body completely gives and the face sags.
>
> > > > I  am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I stop
> > > >  smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them.  I
> >  think
> > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even
> >  devastating
> > > > because it seems as though women  become invisible as  they lose their
> > > > beauty.
>
> > > > This was sort of a rambling  email.  Sort of stream of consciousness...
>
> > > >  liz
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM
> > > > To:  Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found  it while looking for other
> > > > pictures
>
> > > > What is obvious to  me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the
> > > > current US culture,  the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising
> > > > along with programs on  corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > successful in producing a  trance like state within too many women.
>
> > > > The 'avarousness'  found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > > > successful in  supplanting a clear view of reality within the female
> > > > brain with one  of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > lack...lack of beauty,  lack of the right shape, color, height, length
> > > > nails, texture of skin  etc.
>
> > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates  specific shapes
> > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in  fact beautiful
> > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure  radiance is
> > > > immediately apprehended as being  beautiful.
>
> > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty  appear to be sad and
> > > > have a sad life.
>
> > > > On Nov 17,  8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >  Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
>
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at  9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm not  familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a Google
> > > >  search
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see what else he has to  offer.
>
> > > > > > liz
>
> > > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > >  >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008  8:36 PM
> > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > other
> > > >  > > pictures
>
> > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of  Sandro Botticelli!!!
>
> > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > See,  ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes so
> > much
> > > >  work
> > > > > > > and/or surgery...
>
> > > > > > >  LIz
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >  > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > >  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> >  Of BC
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > >  > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > other
> > > >  > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am,  "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > [The+Wave.jpg]
>
> > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she  could stand to lose about a 20-spot.
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