All that crap about no pain no gain is bunk and has been for a while.  Pain
means STOP! you are doing something wrong, or too much of it, or your form
is off, or it's too late and you are injured. Only certain levels of pain
should ever be tolerated...think Lance Armstrong and the incredible lactic
acid pain on the last leg of the Tour De France.  Pain like that is
temporary and can be dealt with, but injuries cause delay and decrease
performance.

agree that it is a rediculous phrase and whomever uses it is asking for
...trouble:)



On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:24 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> "...Some people get get lifter's/runner's high when they work out and
> love to feel strong..." - CB
>
> Somehow the old saw "No pain, no gain." comes to mind. A ridiculous
> phrase if ever there was one.
>
>
> On Nov 18, 10:20 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Agreed:) Some people get get lifter's/runner's high when they work out
> and
> > love to feel strong. I personally think people need to reconnect with
> that
> > aspect of being human because it can produce awesome feelings of
> well-being,
> > of "being" a well tuned organic machine.  Of course that does not mean
> you
> > have to be muscular.  Excess fat is good for no-one except Manatees and
> > Whales...
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jason (Memphis) <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Being fat probably has to do with evolution.  However, we don't have
> > > famines frequently any more; therefore, carrying around all that extra
> > > fat to stave off starvation is just a waste of time and effort.  I
> > > would just lose it so you don't have carry around the extra
> > > poundage.
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 5:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > I think a lot of it is an evolution of cultural norms  .  I don't
> think
> > > > younger people are as Emily Post when it comes to opening  doors as
> us
> > > old farts.
> > > > I am sometimes worried that a woman will give me an  "I can open a
> door
> > > > myself" attitude.  It pisses some women off.  The  whole woman is
> > > property thing.
> > > > Times are changing.
> >
> > > > J.
> >
> > > > In a message dated 11/17/2008 4:41:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>  >
> > >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." -  Liz
> >
> > > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see  as
> > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented
>  wisdom,
> > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door opening,  as
> > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has  not
> > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our culture
>  and/
> > > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being  politically
> > > > correct.
> >
> > > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Although I agree that beauty can  be more than skin deep, I've
> always
> > > > thought
> > > > > men were likely to respond  first to positive visual stimulation.
>  If,
> > > after
> > > > > the attention  was caught, then other factors like personality or
> > > > > intelligence  entered into the picture.  I've thought about just
> this
> > > > subject
> > > > >  more and more as I get older and realize that with every year that
> > >  passes,
> > > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where  once even
> the
> > > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and  older do.  I
> > > imagine at
> > > > > some point that the few men who respond  to me in such a fashion
> will
> > > be
> > > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and  unable to open the door
> myself.
> >
> > > > >   Because of the loss of  status I feel as I age (and also for
> other
> > > > > reasons), I am educating  myself and developing myself in ways that
> > > have
> > > > > little to nothing to do  with the way I look.  I don't want to be
> > > caught
> > > > > unprepared when  at last the body completely gives and the face
> sags.
> >
> > > > > I  am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I
> stop
> > > > >  smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them.
>  I
> > >  think
> > > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even
> > >  devastating
> > > > > because it seems as though women  become invisible as  they lose
> their
> > > > > beauty.
> >
> > > > > This was sort of a rambling  email.  Sort of stream of
> consciousness...
> >
> > > > >  liz
> >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:  [email protected]
> >
> > > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM
> > > > > To:  Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found  it while looking for
> other
> > > > > pictures
> >
> > > > > What is obvious to  me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in
> the
> > > > > current US culture,  the omnipresence of beauty industry
> advertising
> > > > > along with programs on  corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > > successful in producing a  trance like state within too many women.
> >
> > > > > The 'avarousness'  found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > > > > successful in  supplanting a clear view of reality within the
> female
> > > > > brain with one  of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > > lack...lack of beauty,  lack of the right shape, color, height,
> length
> > > > > nails, texture of skin  etc.
> >
> > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates  specific
> shapes
> > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in  fact beautiful
> > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure  radiance
> is
> > > > > immediately apprehended as being  beautiful.
> >
> > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty  appear to be sad
> and
> > > > > have a sad life.
> >
> > > > > On Nov 17,  8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >  Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
> >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at  9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > > >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > I'm not  familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a
> Google
> > > > >  search
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see what else he has to  offer.
> >
> > > > > > > liz
> >
> > > > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > > > > From:  [email protected]
> > > > > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > >  >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008  8:36 PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > > other
> > > > >  > > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of  Sandro Botticelli!!!
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > See,  ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes
> so
> > > much
> > > > >  work
> > > > > > > > and/or surgery...
> >
> > > > > > > >  LIz
> >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >  > > From: [email protected]
> >
> > > > >  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > >  Of BC
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > >  > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking
> for
> > > other
> > > > >  > > > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am,  "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > [The+Wave.jpg]
> >
> > > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she  could stand to lose about a
> 20-spot.
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