Kids are more than ignored.  They are considered to be pests by many adults
that have no children simply because they do need lots of attention.  I used
to be that way before I had one.  Now I am horrified by that.  Does anyone
think that is due to Abrahamic Religions? I do.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Jason (Memphis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
> Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome" category too?   I know
> quite a few kids that are essentially ignored especially with big
> families.  It is starting to be less of an issue because many couples
> (or singles) aren't having as many children so their one or two
> children get lots and lots of attention.
>
> On Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I like old chicks.
> >
> > J.
> >
> > "I  do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't it
> > cultural  to the western world?" – CB
> >
> > One can generalize about any thought. I  find that age alone can
> > produce a type of 'invisibility' for some people.  When I was a kid, I
> > seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone  found them easy
> > to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense  mechanism. . .
> > as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long  run.
> >
> > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> One theory
> is that women go  through menopause in order to dump the hormones
> > > and switch the ability  to produce for focus on caretaking of
> grandchildren.
> > > Sounds like  evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use of
> us to
> > >  further survival that way...
> >
> > > I do agree with Liz about the  "invisibility syndrome".  But, isn't it
> > > cultural to the western  world?
> >
> > > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have  had.  Sometimes
> it is
> > > a relief not to maintain it.  Nice to  be needed for something
> approaching
> > > wisdom instead of my  bosom:)
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >  > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz
> >
> > >  > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see
>  as
> > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented
>  wisdom,
> > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door  opening, as
> > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on  occasion, has not
> > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many  pockets of our culture
> and/
> > > > or has become a curiosity due to the  notion of being politically
> > > > correct.
> >
> > > > On Nov  17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep, I've
>  always
> > > > thought
> > > > > men were likely to respond first  to positive visual stimulation.
>  If,
> > > > after
> > > > >  the attention was caught, then other factors like personality or
> > > >  > intelligence entered into the picture.  I've thought about just
>  this
> > > > subject
> > > > > more and more as I get older and  realize that with every year that
> > > > passes,
> > > > > fewer  and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where once even
> the
> > >  > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older do.  I
> > imagine
> > > > at
> > > > > some point that the few men  who respond to me in such a fashion
> will be
> > > > > doing so out of  pity when I am old and unable to open the door
> myself.
> >
> > > >  >   Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for
>  other
> > > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself  in ways that
> have
> > > > > little to nothing to do with the way I  look.  I don't want to be
> caught
> > > > > unprepared when at  last the body completely gives and the face
> sags.
> >
> > > > > I  am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I
> stop
> > >  > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them.
>  I
> > > > think
> > > > > that to become unattractive is  much more problematic or even
> > devastating
> > > > > because it seems  as though women  become invisible as they lose
> their
> > > > >  beauty.
> >
> > > > > This was sort of a rambling email.  Sort of stream of
> consciousness...
> >
> > > > >  liz
> >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >  From: [email protected]
> >
> > > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > >  > ornamentalmind
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29  PM
> > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> other
> > >  > > pictures
> >
> > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps  because of my gender, is that in
> the
> > > > > current US culture, the  omnipresence of beauty industry
> advertising
> > > > > along with  programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > >  successful in producing a trance like state within too many
>  women.
> >
> > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of  consumerism has been quite
> > > > > successful in supplanting a clear  view of reality within the
> female
> > > > > brain with one of being  born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > > lack...lack of  beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height,
> length
> > > > >  nails, texture of skin etc.
> >
> > > > > My entire life, while I  do know how my eye appreciates specific
> shapes
> > > > > and colors, I  find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful
> > > > > when it  comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance
> is
> > > > >  immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
> >
> > > > > Those  who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad
> and
> > > >  > have a sad life.
> >
> > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Google and image  Tiziano Vicellio
> >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49  PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > > >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > I'm  not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a
> Google
> > > >  > search
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see  what else he has to offer.
> >
> > > > > > >  liz
> >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > > > > From: [email protected]
> > >  > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of
> > > > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > >  > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM
> > > > > > >  To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: I  like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > other
> > > > > >  > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big  fan of Sandro Botticelli!!!
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 15,  11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >  > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now  it
> takes so
> > > > much
> > > > > work
> > > > > >  > > and/or surgery...
> >
> > > > > > > >  LIz
> >
> > > > > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > > > > > From:  [email protected]
> >
> > > > > >  > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > BC
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November  15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought  Alliance
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I  found it while looking
> for
> > > > other
> > > > > > > >  pictures
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >  > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg]
> >
> > > > > > >  > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a
> 20-spot.
> > >  > > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted text -
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