J,

Right there with ya, but I just have to drool when I see a pic of Hugh
Jackman or Gerard Butler.  I will blame it on the fact that I am still of
childbearing age:) LOL!

I'm just a girl:)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  *I like old chicks.*
> **
> *J.*
>
>
> "I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't it
> cultural to the western world?" – CB
>
> One can generalize about any thought. I find that age alone can
> produce a type of 'invisibility' for some people. When I was a kid, I
> seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone found them easy
> to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense mechanism. . .
> as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long run.
>
>
> On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One theory is that women go through menopause in order to dump the
> hormones
> > and switch the ability to produce for focus on caretaking of
> grandchildren.
> > Sounds like evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use of us
> to
> > further survival that way...
> >
> > I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome".  But, isn't it
> > cultural to the western world?
> >
> > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have had.  Sometimes it
> is
> > a relief not to maintain it.  Nice to be needed for something approaching
> > wisdom instead of my bosom:)
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz
> >
> > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see as
> > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented wisdom,
> > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door opening, as
> > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has not
> > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our culture and/
> > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being politically
> > > correct.
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep, I've always
> > > thought
> > > > men were likely to respond first to positive visual stimulation.  If,
> > > after
> > > > the attention was caught, then other factors like personality or
> > > > intelligence entered into the picture.  I've thought about just this
> > > subject
> > > > more and more as I get older and realize that with every year that
> > > passes,
> > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me.  Where once even the
> > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older do.  I
> imagine
> > > at
> > > > some point that the few men who respond to me in such a fashion will
> be
> > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and unable to open the door
> myself.
> >
> > > >   Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for other
> > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself in ways that
> have
> > > > little to nothing to do with the way I look.  I don't want to be
> caught
> > > > unprepared when at last the body completely gives and the face sags.
> >
> > > > I am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I stop
> > > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them.  I
> > > think
> > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even
> devastating
> > > > because it seems as though women  become invisible as they lose their
> > > > beauty.
> >
> > > > This was sort of a rambling email.  Sort of stream of
> consciousness...
> >
> > > > liz
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected]
> >
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > > ornamentalmind
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM
> > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> > > > pictures
> >
> > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in the
> > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry advertising
> > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly
> > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many women.
> >
> > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite
> > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the female
> > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a
> > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, length
> > > > nails, texture of skin etc.
> >
> > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific
> shapes
> > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful
> > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance is
> > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
> >
> > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad
> and
> > > > have a sad life.
> >
> > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
> >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a
> Google
> > > > search
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see what else he has to offer.
> >
> > > > > > liz
> >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > > >  ornamentalmind
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM
> > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> other
> > > > > > pictures
> >
> > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!!
> >
> > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then.  Now it takes so
> > > much
> > > > work
> > > > > > > and/or surgery...
> >
> > > > > > > LIz
> >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> > > BC
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for
> > > other
> > > > > > > pictures
> >
> > > > > > > On Nov 15, 8:33 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > [The+Wave.jpg]
> >
> > > > > > > That is a nice pic; but she could stand to lose about a
> 20-spot.
> > > > > > > -BC-- Hide quoted text -
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