Talking about me again aren't ya. J. I know at least one woman whose husband does not want her primping because he wants her to be less attractive in public thus fending off potential mates:) But then, he is a nasty piece of work...
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: I think the primping and preparation women do (makeup and nail painting and such) is largely for the benefit of other women. Most of the men I've dated have preferred no makeup or not cared whether I wore it or not. Same with fingernail polish. I've never had a guy comment on my fingernails. I think the preening and preparation for heightened attractiveness elevates the status of the woman, and that may have some bearing on her attitude/confidence. That's a serious oversimplification obviously. liz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ] On Behalf Of CrossBow Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other pictures No, not sexist. All this primping may be just biology at work. In my girly opinion, women feel an inborn need to be attractive to attract mates and stay that way untill unable to reproduce - menopause. We are not out of the cave yet. Are primates the only species that the female is more floofy? It seems the other way around in birds and some others. Think Peacock..now that is a dandy bird! Butterflies have it right..they are both lovely. Has this american society went crazy with it...answer that by looking at Cher and Dolly Parton. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: When it comes to the youth/beauty issue, I don't feel so controlled by that. Again, perhaps it is more of the induced female psyche in this society? And, of course, the main energy of the female seems to be being attractive and the male active. Yes, I know how this may appear and in no way do I mean this as a sexist comment. On Nov 19, 7:42 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > I feel kids are percieved to be useless time wasters by many and many think > thier value to society is on hold until they grow old enough to graduate and > enter the work force. That is deeply disturbing but I feel truth in it. > Ignored seems to be ignored even if it is for different reasons. I think > children have the best of it because they have youth and beauty on thier > side, in thier future, which cannot be recaptured as you age..perhaps that > has truth too. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:13 AM, Liz Purkrabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >wrote: > > > > > > > It's not the same thing at all. Being ignored because you belong to a big > > family or disinterested parents is not the same issue as being ignored > > incrementally based on physical attractiveness or perceived value to > > society as a whole. > > > liz > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ] On Behalf Of Jason > > (Memphis) > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:57 PM > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other > > pictures > > > Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome" category too? I know > > quite a few kids that are essentially ignored especially with big > > families. It is starting to be less of an issue because many couples > > (or singles) aren't having as many children so their one or two > > children get lots and lots of attention. > > > On Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I like old chicks. > > > > J. > > > > "I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't it > > > cultural to the western world?" – CB > > > > One can generalize about any thought. I find that age alone can > > > produce a type of 'invisibility' for some people. When I was a kid, I > > > seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone found them easy > > > to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense mechanism. . . > > > as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long run. > > > > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote:> One theory > > is that women go through menopause in order to dump the hormones > > > > and switch the ability to produce for focus on caretaking of > > grandchildren. > > > > Sounds like evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use of > > us to > > > > further survival that way... > > > > > I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't it > > > > cultural to the western world? > > > > > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have had. Sometimes > > it is > > > > a relief not to maintain it. Nice to be needed for something > > approaching > > > > wisdom instead of my bosom:) > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >wrote: > > > > > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz > > > > > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I see > > as > > > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented > > wisdom, > > > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door opening, as > > > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion, has not > > > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our culture > > and/ > > > > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being politically > > > > > correct. > > > > > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > > > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep, I've > > always > > > > > thought > > > > > > men were likely to respond first to positive visual stimulation. > > If, > > > > > after > > > > > > the attention was caught, then other factors like personality or > > > > > > intelligence entered into the picture. I've thought about just > > this > > > > > subject > > > > > > more and more as I get older and realize that with every year that > > > > > passes, > > > > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me. Where once even > > the > > > > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older do. I > > > imagine > > > > > at > > > > > > some point that the few men who respond to me in such a fashion > > will be > > > > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and unable to open the door > > myself. > > > > > > > Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for > > other > > > > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself in ways that > > have > > > > > > little to nothing to do with the way I look. I don't want to be > > caught > > > > > > unprepared when at last the body completely gives and the face > > sags. > > > > > > > I am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away when I > > stop > > > > > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing them. > > I > > > > > think > > > > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even > > > devastating > > > > > > because it seems as though women become invisible as they lose > > their > > > > > > beauty. > > > > > > > This was sort of a rambling email. Sort of stream of > > consciousness... > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ] On Behalf Of > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > other > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that in > > the > > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry > > advertising > > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been fairly > > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many > > women. > > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been quite > > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the > > female > > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having a > > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color, height, > > length > > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc. > > > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates specific > > shapes > > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact beautiful > > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure radiance > > is > > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful. > > > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to be sad > > and > > > > > > have a sad life. > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely do a > > Google > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see what else he has to offer. > > > > > > > > > liz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ] On > > Behalf > > Of > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:36 PM > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for > > > other > > > > > > > > pictures > > > > > > > > > Liz, I've long been a big fan of Sandro Botticelli!!! > > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:32 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > See, ladies could be born beautiful back then. Now it > > takes > > so > > > > > much > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > and/or surgery... > > > > > > > > > > LIz > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > BC > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:30 PM > > > > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. 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