The word spiritual is often confusing because of it's equivocal nature. I
find that most rationalists avoid it's use so as to not be mistaken as a
supernaturalist.
of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit; incorporeal. of or
pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a
spiritual approach to life. of or pertaining to spirits or to
spiritualists; supernatural or spiritualistic. of or pertaining to the
spirit as the
seat of the moral or religious nature. of or pertaining to sacred things
or matters; religious; devotional; sacred.
"Please replace the word "spiritual" with something else. Geesus! -
J."
Perhaps you would like everyone to share your view about the word
'spiritual'? The result would be a true type of unity...a spiritual
notion. "Geesus!" indeed! HaHa
On Nov 19, 3:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Please replace the word "spiritual" with something else.
> Geesus!
>
> J.
>
> I’ve found that as I age, there are those who wish to ‘assist’ an old
> fart like me. And, there are those who couldn’t care less. I’m not
> sure this has changed nor is even different from when I was young.
>
> When it comes to a couple’s relations, the 4 major areas must all be
> met for success. Any one or more missing will more often than not
> result in the failure of the couple.
>
> Physical.
> Emotional.
> Intellectual.
> Spiritual.
>
> On Nov 19, 2:12 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just thought about your response. I'm not suggesting that it's unfair
> and
> > mean that men aren't sexually attracted to older women. I'm just
saying
> > that a woman should be recognized for having value after she has lost
> > physical attractiveness.
>
> > Intellectually, I think men realize that this should be the case, but I
> have
> > seen firsthand how quick men are to dole out hugs and affection to an
> > "attractive" woman and an older woman not even be acknowledged. The guy
> > doesn't have to fake attraction or French kiss the old lady, but some
token
> > of respect should be given to the lady!
>
> > And what about this opening doors for ladies bit!? I noticed that when
I
> > was pregnant, men stopped opening doors for me. So, at the times when
I
> > have or eventually will need assistance (when I get old) the guys are
> > letting the door slam in my face, I assume because there is no perceived
> > (consciously or otherwise) potential nookie exchange.
>
> > Having had these experiences (of visibility and invisibility), I can
easily
> > imagine how my world is going to change over time. I need to find a
gimmick
> > for when I get old, so I will still be a recognizable individual. I
was
> > toting with the idea of being the town's crazy cat woman, but the smell
> > would get on my nerves, so I'm thinking of only having a few cats,
letting
> > my hair grow out and being the crazy, mysterious witch lady that lives on
> > the hill and is rumored to cavort with the devil.
>
> > liz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
>
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason
> > (Memphis)
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:54 PM
> > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> > pictures
>
> > Liz,
>
> > I agree. Attractive women get way, way too much attention. How do me
> > make society give attractive women less attention so ugly women get
> > more or as much attention especially from men?
>
> > Jason
>
> > On Nov 19, 7:13 am, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It's not the same thing at all. Being ignored because you belong to a
> big
> > > family or disinterested parents is not the same issue as being
ignored
> > > incrementally based on physical attractiveness or perceived value to
> > > society as a whole.
>
> > > liz
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jason
> > > (Memphis)
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:57 PM
> > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking for other
> > > pictures
>
> > > Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome" category too? I know
> > > quite a few kids that are essentially ignored especially with big
> > > families. It is starting to be less of an issue because many couples
> > > (or singles) aren't having as many children so their one or two
> > > children get lots and lots of attention.
>
> > > On Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > I like old chicks.
>
> > > > J.
>
> > > > “I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But,
isn't it
> > > > cultural to the western world?” – CB
>
> > > > One can generalize about any thought. I find that age alone can
> > > > produce a type of ‘invisibility’ for some people. When I was a
kid, I
> > > > seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone found them
easy
> > > > to get to know. Ignoring them was the easiest defense mechanism. . .
> > > > as ignorant as avoidance can be in the long run.
>
> > > > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> One
theory
> > > is that women go through menopause in order to dump the hormones
> > > > > and switch the ability to produce for focus on caretaking of
> > > grandchildren.
> > > > > Sounds like evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use
of
> > > us to
> > > > > further survival that way...
>
> > > > > I do agree with Liz about the "invisibility syndrome". But, isn't
it
> > > > > cultural to the western world?
>
> > > > > I have mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have had.
> Sometimes
> > > it is
> > > > > a relief not to maintain it. Nice to be needed for something
> > > approaching
> > > > > wisdom instead of my bosom:)
>
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ornamentalmind
>
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." - Liz
>
> > > > > > Thanks for the stream Liz! And, this quote of yours is what I
see
> > as
> > > > > > the 'crime' of our culture. Historically, age has represented
> > wisdom,
> > > > > > the opposite of a loss of status. And, as I see it, door
opening,
> > as
> > > > > > much as I was programmed to do it and still do on occasion,
has
> not
> > > > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in many pockets of our
culture
> > > and/
> > > > > > or has become a curiosity due to the notion of being
politically
> > > > > > correct.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 17, 1:28 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Although I agree that beauty can be more than skin deep,
I've
> > > always
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > men were likely to respond first to positive visual
stimulation.
> > > If,
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > the attention was caught, then other factors like
personality or
> > > > > > > intelligence entered into the picture. I've thought about
just
> > > this
> > > > > > subject
> > > > > > > more and more as I get older and realize that with every
year
> > that
> > > > > > passes,
> > > > > > > fewer and fewer men stop to open doors for me. Where once
even
> > the
> > > > > > > teenagers did so, now just the men about my age and older
do. I
> > > > imagine
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > some point that the few men who respond to me in such a
fashion
> > > will be
> > > > > > > doing so out of pity when I am old and unable to open the door
> > > myself.
>
> > > > > > > Because of the loss of status I feel as I age (and also for
> > > other
> > > > > > > reasons), I am educating myself and developing myself in ways
> > that
> > > have
> > > > > > > little to nothing to do with the way I look. I don't want
to
> be
> > > caught
> > > > > > > unprepared when at last the body completely gives and the face
> > > sags.
>
> > > > > > > I am already starting to see wrinkles that don't go away
when I
> > > stop
> > > > > > > smiling, and I never feared wrinkles until I started seeing
> them.
> > > I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > that to become unattractive is much more problematic or even
> > > > devastating
> > > > > > > because it seems as though women become invisible as they
lose
> > > their
> > > > > > > beauty.
>
> > > > > > > This was sort of a rambling email. Sort of stream of
> > > consciousness...
>
> > > > > > > liz
>
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of
> > > > > > > ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:29 PM
> > > > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking
for
> > > other
> > > > > > > pictures
>
> > > > > > > What is obvious to me, perhaps because of my gender, is that
in
> > the
> > > > > > > current US culture, the omnipresence of beauty industry
> > advertising
> > > > > > > along with programs on corporate tv and radio have been
fairly
> > > > > > > successful in producing a trance like state within too many
> > women.
>
> > > > > > > The 'avarousness' found at the heart of consumerism has been
> > quite
> > > > > > > successful in supplanting a clear view of reality within the
> > female
> > > > > > > brain with one of being born in the 'original sin' of having
a
> > > > > > > lack...lack of beauty, lack of the right shape, color,
height,
> > > length
> > > > > > > nails, texture of skin etc.
>
> > > > > > > My entire life, while I do know how my eye appreciates
specific
> > > shapes
> > > > > > > and colors, I find those with inner beauty to be in fact
> > beautiful
> > > > > > > when it comes to human beings. Anyone who has this pure
> radiance
> > is
> > > > > > > immediately apprehended as being beautiful.
>
> > > > > > > Those who do not know this innate and true beauty appear to
be
> > sad
> > > and
> > > > > > > have a sad life.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:39 am, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Google and image Tiziano Vicellio
>
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with his works, but I will definitely
do a
> > > Google
> > > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > see what else he has to offer.
>
> > > > > > > > > liz
>
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
>
> ...
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