Yes, I too find that many atheists avoid the word ‘spiritual’. I’m
sure the reasons are numerous, and at least one of which is as you
find the term, ambiguous or unclear.

I hope you were able to glean my intention from my response. A sense
of unity.

“spiritual
Adjective
1. relating to a person's beliefs as opposed to his or her physical or
material needs”

At the core of most theology and much philosophy is this innate human
attribute, a sense of the eternal and unity of all. People do not need
to embrace religious dogma to embody this state. So, I find the term
quite useful, pointing at that which is not physical and in the
context of a couple, a sense of ‘forever’ and commonality. Without
this sense, even IF the physical, emotional and intellectual aspects
are working out fairly well, it is difficult to maintain the union for
long.


On Nov 19, 5:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The word spiritual is often confusing because of it's  equivocal nature. I
> find that most rationalists avoid it's use so  as to not be mistaken as a
> supernaturalist.
>
>      of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit;  incorporeal.     of or
> pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the  physical nature: 
> a
> spiritual approach to life.       of or pertaining to spirits or to
> spiritualists; supernatural or  spiritualistic.     of or pertaining to the 
> spirit as the
> seat of the moral or religious  nature.     of or pertaining to sacred things
> or matters; religious; devotional;  sacred.
>
> "Please replace the word "spiritual" with something  else.  Geesus!  -
> J."
>
> Perhaps you would like everyone to share your  view about the word
> 'spiritual'? The result would be a true type of  unity...a spiritual
> notion. "Geesus!" indeed! HaHa
>
> On Nov 19,  3:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
> > Please replace the word  "spiritual" with something  else.
> > Geesus!
>
> >  J.
>
> > I’ve  found that as I age, there are those who wish to  ‘assist’ an old
> > fart like  me. And, there are those who couldn’t  care less. I’m not
> > sure this has  changed nor is even different  from when I was young.
>
> > When it comes to a  couple’s  relations, the 4 major areas must all be
> > met for success. Any one  or more missing will more often than not
> > result in the failure  of the  couple.
>
> > Physical.
> > Emotional.
> >  Intellectual.
> > Spiritual.
>
> > On  Nov 19, 2:12 pm,  "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
> > > I just thought about your  response.  I'm not suggesting  that it's unfair
> > and
> >  > mean that men aren't sexually attracted to older  women.  I'm  just
> saying
> > > that a woman should be recognized for  having  value after she has lost
> > > physical attractiveness.  
>
> > > Intellectually, I think men realize that this  should be  the case, but I
> > have
> > > seen firsthand how  quick men are to dole out hugs  and affection to an
> > >  "attractive" woman and an older woman not even be  acknowledged.  The guy
> > > doesn't have to fake attraction or French  kiss the old lady, but some
> token
> > > of respect should be  given to the  lady!  
>
> > > And what about this  opening doors for ladies  bit!?  I noticed that when
> I
> > >  was pregnant, men stopped opening  doors for me.  So, at the times  when
> I
> > > have or eventually will  need assistance (when I get  old) the guys are
> > > letting the door slam in  my face, I  assume because there is no perceived
> > > (consciously or  otherwise) potential nookie exchange.
>
> > > Having had  these  experiences (of visibility and invisibility), I can
> easily
> >  > imagine how  my world is going to change over time. I need to find a  
> gimmick
> > > for  when I get old, so I will still be a  recognizable individual.  I  
> was
> > > toting with the idea  of being the town's crazy cat woman, but the  smell
> > > would  get on my nerves, so I'm thinking of only having a few  cats,  
> letting
> > > my hair grow out and being the crazy, mysterious witch  lady that lives on
> > > the hill and is rumored to cavort with  the  devil.
>
> > > liz
>
> > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  Jason
> > > (Memphis)
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19,  2008 1:54  PM
> > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > >  Subject: Re: I like this  picture. I found it while looking for  other
> > > pictures
>
> > >  Liz,
>
> >  > I agree.  Attractive women get way, way too much  attention.  How do me
> > > make society give attractive women less  attention so ugly women get
> > > more or as much attention  especially from  men?
>
> > > Jason
>
> > > On  Nov 19, 7:13 am, "Liz  Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
> > > > It's not the  same thing at all.  Being  ignored because you belong to a
> > big
> > >  > family or  disinterested parents is not the same issue as being  
> ignored
> >  > > incrementally  based on physical attractiveness or  perceived value to
> > > > society as a whole.
>
> >  > >  liz
>
> > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
> Jason
> > > > (Memphis)
> > > > Sent: Tuesday,  November 18, 2008  10:57 PM
> > > > To: Memphis Freethought  Alliance
> > > > Subject:  Re: I like this picture. I found it  while looking for other
> > > >  pictures
>
> > >  > Aren't kids in the "invisibility syndrome"  category too?   I  know
> > > > quite a few kids that are essentially  ignored  especially with big
> > > > families.  It is starting to be  less of an issue because many couples
> > > > (or singles)  aren't having  as many children so their one or two
> > > >  children get lots and lots  of attention.
>
> > > > On  Nov 18, 9:09 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> > > > > I like  old chicks.
>
> > > > >  J.
>
> > > >  > “I  do agree with Liz about the  "invisibility syndrome". But,  
> isn't it
> > > > > cultural  to the  western world?” –  CB
>
> > > > > One can generalize about any  thought.  I  find that age alone can
> > > > > produce a type of  ‘invisibility’ for some people.  When I was a
> kid, I
> > >  > >  seldom knew how to relate to the old folks let alone  found them  
> easy
> > > > > to get to know. Ignoring  them was the easiest defense  mechanism. . .
> > > > > as  ignorant as avoidance can be in the  long  run.
>
> > >  > > On Nov 18, 7:17 am, CrossBow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:> One
> theory
> > > > is that  women go  through  menopause in order to dump the hormones
> > > >  > > and  switch the ability  to produce for focus on caretaking  of
> >  > > grandchildren.
> > > > > > Sounds like  evolution wants us to be social servants and makes use
> of
> > >  >  us to
> > > > > >  further survival that  way...
>
> > > > > > I do agree with Liz about the  "invisibility syndrome".  But, isn't
> it
> > > > > >  cultural to the western  world?
>
> > > > > >  I have  mixed feelings about losing what beauty I have  had.  
> > Sometimes
> > > > it is
> > > > > > a  relief not to  maintain it.  Nice to  be needed for  something
> > > >  approaching
> > > > > >  wisdom instead of my  bosom:)
>
> > > > > > On Mon,  Nov 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM,  ornamentalmind  
>
> > > >  >  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > >  > >  > "Because of the loss of status I feel as I age..." -  Liz
>
> > > > > >  > Thanks for the stream  Liz! And,  this quote of yours is what I
> see
> > >  as
> > > > > > >  the 'crime' of our culture.  Historically, age has represented
> > >  wisdom,
> > > >  > > > the opposite of a loss of status.  And, as I see it, door  
> opening,
> > > as
> > > > > > >  much as  I was programmed to do it and still do on  occasion,
> has  
> >  not
> > > > > > > been continued as a 'social grace' in  many  pockets of our
> culture
> > > > and/
> > > >  > > > or  has become a curiosity due to the  notion of  being
> politically
> > >  > > > >  correct.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov  17, 1:28 pm,  "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
> >  > > > >  > > Although I agree that beauty can  be  more than skin deep,
> I've
> > > >  always
> > > >  > >  > thought
> > > > > > > > men were  likely to respond first  to positive visual
> stimulation.
> > >  >  If,
> > > > >  > > after
> > > >  > > > >  the attention was  caught, then other factors  like
> personality or
> > > > > > >  > intelligence  entered into the picture.  I've thought about  
> just
> > >  >  this
> > > > > > > subject
> > > >  > > > > more and more as I get older and  realize that  with  every
> year
> > > that
> > > > > > >  passes,
> > > > >  > > > fewer  and fewer men  stop to open doors for me.  Where once
> even
> > > the
> > >  > > >  > >  teenagers did so, now just the men about  my age and older
> do.  I
> > >  > > imagine
> > >  > > > > at
> > > > > > >  > some point  that the few men  who respond to me in such a  
> fashion
> > >  > will be
> > > > > > > > doing so out of  pity  when I am old and unable to open the door
> > > >  myself.
>
> > > > > > >  >    Because of the  loss of status I feel as I age (and also for
> > >  >  other
> > >  > > > > > reasons), I am  educating myself and developing myself  in ways
> > > that
> >  > > have
> > > > > > > >  little to nothing  to do with the way I  look.  I don't want
> to  
> >  be
> > > > caught
> > > > > > > > unprepared  when at  last the body completely gives and the face
> > > >  sags.
>
> > > > > > > > I  am already  starting to  see wrinkles that don't go away
> when I
> > > >  stop
> > > > >  >  > > smiling, and I never  feared wrinkles until I started  seeing
> > them.
> > > >  I
> > > > > > > think
> > >  > >  > > > that to become unattractive is  much more  problematic or even
> > > > > devastating
> > > >  > > >  > because it seems  as though women  become  invisible as they  
> lose
> > > > their
> > > > >  > > >  beauty.
>
> > > > > > > >  This was sort of a  rambling email.  Sort of stream of
> > >  >  consciousness...
>
> > > > > > > >  liz
>
> > > > > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > > > > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > >  > >  > >  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf  
> > Of
> > > > > > >  >  ornamentalmind
> > > > >  > > > Sent: Monday,  November 17, 2008 12:29  PM
> > > >  > > > >  To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> > > > > >  > >  Subject: Re: I like this picture. I found it while looking  
> for
> > > > other
> > > > > >  > >  pictures
>
> > > > > > > > What is obvious  to me,  perhaps  because of my gender, is that
> in
> > >  the
> > > > >  > > > current US culture, the  omnipresence of beauty  industry
> > > advertising
> >  > > > > > > along with  programs on corporate tv and  radio have been
> fairly
> > > > >  > > >  successful in producing a trance like state within too  many
> > >  women.
>
> > > > > > >  > The  'avarousness' found at the
>
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