Okay, rip my liver out but Noam's entourage reminds me of Ann Rand's...bit
of a parade of pedestals..


OUCH!..that hurt in advance!

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Jason (Memphis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
> I think that Noam (my impression) believes that handing people a
> science of human behavior that is essentially a handbook for
> predicting and controlling people is sort of like handing nuclear
> weapons to a terrorist group.  Therefore, only the elite few (my
> impression) should be privy to those techniques and that scientific
> discipline as that scientific discipline of human behavior unfolds.
> In addition, any attempt to develop such a scientific discipline
> should be thwarted  but it's development is evitable (again, my
> impression of Noam).  I don't know if that is even close but just my
> initial impression from what little that I have read of his works.
>
> On Nov 25, 12:10 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>  > ornamentalmind,
> >
> > I think that my major criticism of Noam Chomsky is his lack of
> > scientific thinking especially making predictions or controlling
> > organisms.  Most of what I've read are historical interpretations of
> > established facts and descriptions of something that has already
> > happened.  He definitely has his facts in order.  However, Noam seldom
> > attempts to make specific predictions of societal drifts that could be
> > verified--or at least he is not any better at predicting than other
> > historical experts.  In addition, many of his followers do not
> > challenge what he says and most of what he says is said in such a way
> > that makes it hard to challenge (or test).  Framing has been studied
> > extensively and the master of framing is Noam Chomsky himself.
> >
> > A particular (this is just one) criticism is that he wrote a review of
> > B.F. Skinner's "Verbal Behavior" (link below) and presented arguments
> > against Skinner that Skinner never claimed.  I included Noam's case
> > against Skinner and a response by a behaviorist.  Chomsky also accused
> > Skinner of advancing totalitarianism (much the same as Noam--directly
> > or indirectly--is accusing Obama).  Yes, Skinner does advocate a
> > science of the behavior of organisms, which would embrace, explore,
> > refine and advance a scientific discipline to predict and control
> > organisms with scientific precision (including humans).  That is what
> > Chomsky seems to fear (as do others including Skinner).  The concept
> > of "freedom" or "free will" or the idea that humans are above the laws
> > of nature and therefore immune to scientific prediction and control is
> > a Western religion and Chomsky is sort of the Priest.  At the end of
> > Skinner's "Science and Human Behavior," Skinner warned people that one
> > why to defend against the abuses of a science of human behavior is for
> > the masses to learn about how that science works and those scientific
> > techniques employed.  Politicans and government have been working on a
> > science of human behavior for years (akin to Asimov's psycho-
> > history).  The problem with Skinner is his ideal that such a
> > discipline should be transparent and open to the public and entire
> > scientific community.
> >
> > By the way, Chomsky (from the little I've read) is a fun read, and
> > he's a linguistic master.
> >
> > A Review of B.F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior (1959) by Noam Chomsky
> >
> > http://cogprints.org/1148/0/chomsky.htm
> >
> > On Chomsky's Review of Skinner's Verbal Behavior (Journal of the
> > Experimental Analysis of Behavior, volume 13, pages 83–99)
> >
> > http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/abstracts/jeababstracts/13/%2013-083...
>  >
> > Jason
> >
>


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