ps--From what I read of Noam, I think that he is a great
intellectual....
On Nov 25, 5:18 am, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Those critiques of the universities look good. I got through the
> first two.
>
> Now as far as critiquing his speech that you posted originally, do not
> you think that it is a stretch to imply that Obama may be setting
> himself us for a dictatorship any more than other government leaders
> (past or present)? I agree with the advertising criticism but how
> else will a candidate win, realistically? Besides, Democrats and
> Republican are pretty much the same as far as big government...each
> attempts to gain more power from the people so what's new? The
> people just have to do some work to prevent that from happening.
>
> Here is a question: Many of my liberal friends flock around Noam and
> hang on every world that he says without ever criticizing or
> disagreeing with his views. Can you name five or more points on which
> you disagree with Noam? Or, are you just like one of those non-
> skeptical Noam followers who I frequently met in California?
>
> Jason
>
> On Nov 24, 7:05 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Noam peppers many of his critiques with pointed comments about
> > universities and education in general. Here are a couple that came up
> > first from ‘god google’.
>
> > Recent speech.http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/buniverse/videos/view/?id=224
>
> > General views including
> > Universities.http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/197305--.htm
>
> > More general overviews.http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19740207.htm
>
> > Resources:http://www.chomsky.info/http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/ejournal/chomsky.ht...
>
> > A few thousand videos of
> > him:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Noam+chomsky&search_type=...
>
> > On Nov 24, 4:26 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > The only book that I read was part of "Hegemony or Survival: America's
> > > Quest for Global Dominance" and a few articles by him in school.
>
> > > I am not that familiar with his work. Where was he ever cynical of
> > > Ivy League institutions--not the ideas of these Ivy League
> > > institutions but the institutions themselves like he is cynical of
> > > government and corporate institutions?
>
> > > On Nov 24, 5:58 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > “I thought his point were good; however, Noam's an extreme liberal.
> > > > Noam is hyper cynical of all wealthy institutions unless it's an Ivy
> > > > League institution.” – Jason
>
> > > > I accept that you think his point(s) were good.
>
> > > > "Reality has a liberal bias." - Al Franken.
>
> > > > And, I doubt if many who study his works find him to be ‘liberal’. He
> > > > even examines how liberal/conservative have reversed definitions a few
> > > > times over the last few centuries in different countries and cultures
> > > > in his writing.
>
> > > > I don’t know for sure what you mean by ‘wealthy institutions’, so I
> > > > can only guess. Perhaps you mean governments? Churches? Corporations?
> > > > The Mafia?….difficult to tell.
>
> > > > As to his views about Universities, he has always been critical of
> > > > them…always.
>
> > > > As to cynicism, since this includes the meaning of distrust, I see no
> > > > reason to not hold that view about most institutions. In fact, that is
> > > > part of his definition of anarchy. I doubt if many ‘freethinkers’ here
> > > > would disagree with his definition.
> > > > See:http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/rbr/noamrbr2.html
>
> > > > So, overall, I’m glad you liked and agreed with him. I find him to be
> > > > one of the few sane voices in a vast wasteland. This even though the
> > > > way he is absolutely banned from any of the corporate media, TV,
> > > > print, radio etc., speaks volumes about how ‘dangerous’ his clarity is
> > > > perceived as being by these institutions what with their vast and
> > > > vested interests.
>
> > > > Their propaganda against him is legion. Almost everyone who has NOT
> > > > read his works nor listened to him for any length of time considers
> > > > him at the very least ‘controversial’ and on the whole, dangerous.
> > > > Apparently it pays to advertise, which he addressed in the interview
> > > > you just watched.
>
> > > > On Nov 24, 3:38 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > I thought his point were good; however, Noam's an extreme liberal.
> > > > > Noam is hyper cynical of all wealthy institutions unless it's an Ivy
> > > > > League institution.
>
> > > > > On Nov 24, 9:21 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I was a little surprised by some of Noam’s views on the election
> > > > > > process and results. Rather than start out with my views, you may
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > his first presentation since the election of note.
>
> > > > > >http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/24/noam_chomsky_what_next_the_ele...-
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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