I'm not shrinking anything on you buddy:)

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

>  *I want Spring to be my shrink!*
> **
> *J.*
>
>
>  This is similar to walking across the bridge you want to jump off
> of everyday to stare into the water and become familiar with the location as
> a place to fight your demons.  You survive that hard place, and really there
> isn't anywhere but up after that.  He visited his bridge with with a bungee
> cord (disabled gun), therefore taking the full potential away... Disarming
> the warhead.  I can't understand how this could work with truly chemically
> fucked people because they forget thier bungee cord.  Case by case eh? I'm
> for it - it can work.
>
>
>   On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Liz Purkrabek 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>
>> I would also add that the method used was steeped in personal importance
>> and
>> symbolism, and the method's effectiveness may reflect that.  Other people
>> volunteering to participate in a study relating to this one man's methods
>> may likely find that the method is essentially useless to the volunteer
>> unless the gun and particular thoughts and actions taken were also
>> significant to them in similar ways.  That would certainly be difficult to
>> ascertain.
>>
>> I am somewhat skeptical of the long term effectiveness of his method for
>> dealing with depression, but I realize I must be careful not to let my own
>> struggles intrude upon my objectivity toward another person's.  I can't
>> imagine that any ritual or thought process would have changed the way I
>> felt
>> physically and mentally when I was at my worst.  If it were possible, I
>> would have done it.  I tried everything I could think of and many things I
>> didn't.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason
>> (Memphis)
>> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:03 PM
>> To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
>>  Subject: Re: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression
>>
>>
>> The problem is that if this treatment is very effective even more so
>> than any other treatment : 1) it would be hard to get it through a
>> human rights/ethics review board to run the experiment; 2) it would
>> also be hard to recruit participants once you described the treatment
>> to them and 3) once you got participants, attrition (drop out) rates
>> would likely be high because the treatment is inherently aversive and
>> troubling to the individual and society at large.
>>
>> On Dec 21, 3:33 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > That's great if it worked for the guy.
>> >
>> > Liz
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [email protected]
>> >
>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason
>> > (Memphis)
>> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:58 PM
>> > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
>> > Subject: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression
>> >
>> > Here is a story of an unconventional approach to dealing with
>> > depression.  This is a adult diagnosed with bi-polar from California.
>> > I don't know the long-term consequences (that is, decades) but this
>> > person claimed that it worked for a least the few years that I knew
>> > him.
>> >
>> > This is his approach.
>> >
>> > PROBLEM:  He had a problem getting out of bed in the morning and had
>> > frequent "comfortably numb spells," which eventually led to a job loss
>> > and other issues that accompanied the job loss especially relationship
>> > (martial and divorce) challenges.  That is not atypical for mental
>> > health patients.  So the following "solution" is his unproven,
>> > extreme, unconventional approach that worked for him as far as getting
>> > himself back into his life.  He thought his problem was that he lacked
>> > energy each morning to get out bed and contemplated suicide on a
>> > number of occasions.  He allegedly would "drown" himself in thoughts
>> > such as "it is not worth it,"  "....it is too much effort...,' "nobody
>> > care. i am nobody", " or "this is too overwhelming"...."life will
>> > never get better what's the point..."  etc etc. or just cried.
>> >
>> > SOLUTION: He bought a 9mm semi-automatic pistol but didn't buy any
>> > bullets and damaged the barrel so it wouldn't work without a
>> > replacement.  Each morning he would reach under his bed, point the
>> > defective 9mm to his temple, think about killing himself and slowly
>> > apply pressure to the trigger.  When he heard the click from the empty
>> > chamber, he forced himself to imagine that he was dead and contemplate
>> > the worthless of his life and how his death did not matter to the
>> > people in the world around him--his insignificance.  He would engage
>> > in this "self-therapy" each more for about 30 minutes.  If he got
>> > depressed or was depressed, he would force himself to deliberately
>> > embrace and repeat these negative thoughts.  Then he would force
>> > himself to state the direct opposite of this negative statements for
>> > the next 30-min but still occasionally think about the negatives.   He
>> > then would get out of bed (when it worked), embrace these negative and
>> > positive thoughts and spend the rest to the day distracting himself
>> > with life.  He claims that he also frequently felt overwhelmed with
>> > negative feelings so in order to learn to embrace these out of control
>> > overwhelming feelings, he would hold his breath and just accept that
>> > he was going to die by suffocation and kept holding his breath and
>> > accepting his death until he passed out (and he always woke up).  He
>> > used this as an analogy for his strategy for his negative emotions and
>> > reported that it helped.  These techniques did not always work, but he
>> > claimed that it was the best self-treatment that he came across so far
>> > that worked for him.  And he still relied on some (albeit less)
>> > medications.
>> >
>> > That is was just the oddest story from a mental health patient.
>> > However, he seemed to work for him so who am I to criticize.  When
>> > Jeff was talking about unconventional mental health approaches, it
>> > reminded me of this patient.
>> >
>> > Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> >
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