Hi y'all - she's saving it for me - Marvin the miserable robot.
On Dec 23, 9:22 am, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not shrinking anything on you buddy:)
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> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > *I want Spring to be my shrink!*
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> > *J.*
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> > This is similar to walking across the bridge you want to jump off
> > of everyday to stare into the water and become familiar with the location as
> > a place to fight your demons. You survive that hard place, and really there
> > isn't anywhere but up after that. He visited his bridge with with a bungee
> > cord (disabled gun), therefore taking the full potential away... Disarming
> > the warhead. I can't understand how this could work with truly chemically
> > fucked people because they forget thier bungee cord. Case by case eh? I'm
> > for it - it can work.
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> > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Liz Purkrabek
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
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> >> I would also add that the method used was steeped in personal importance
> >> and
> >> symbolism, and the method's effectiveness may reflect that. Other people
> >> volunteering to participate in a study relating to this one man's methods
> >> may likely find that the method is essentially useless to the volunteer
> >> unless the gun and particular thoughts and actions taken were also
> >> significant to them in similar ways. That would certainly be difficult to
> >> ascertain.
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> >> I am somewhat skeptical of the long term effectiveness of his method for
> >> dealing with depression, but I realize I must be careful not to let my own
> >> struggles intrude upon my objectivity toward another person's. I can't
> >> imagine that any ritual or thought process would have changed the way I
> >> felt
> >> physically and mentally when I was at my worst. If it were possible, I
> >> would have done it. I tried everything I could think of and many things I
> >> didn't.
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> >> Liz
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason
> >> (Memphis)
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:03 PM
> >> To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> >> Subject: Re: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression
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> >> The problem is that if this treatment is very effective even more so
> >> than any other treatment : 1) it would be hard to get it through a
> >> human rights/ethics review board to run the experiment; 2) it would
> >> also be hard to recruit participants once you described the treatment
> >> to them and 3) once you got participants, attrition (drop out) rates
> >> would likely be high because the treatment is inherently aversive and
> >> troubling to the individual and society at large.
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> >> On Dec 21, 3:33 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > That's great if it worked for the guy.
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> >> > Liz
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> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [email protected]
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> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason
> >> > (Memphis)
> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:58 PM
> >> > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance
> >> > Subject: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression
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> >> > Here is a story of an unconventional approach to dealing with
> >> > depression. This is a adult diagnosed with bi-polar from California.
> >> > I don't know the long-term consequences (that is, decades) but this
> >> > person claimed that it worked for a least the few years that I knew
> >> > him.
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> >> > This is his approach.
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> >> > PROBLEM: He had a problem getting out of bed in the morning and had
> >> > frequent "comfortably numb spells," which eventually led to a job loss
> >> > and other issues that accompanied the job loss especially relationship
> >> > (martial and divorce) challenges. That is not atypical for mental
> >> > health patients. So the following "solution" is his unproven,
> >> > extreme, unconventional approach that worked for him as far as getting
> >> > himself back into his life. He thought his problem was that he lacked
> >> > energy each morning to get out bed and contemplated suicide on a
> >> > number of occasions. He allegedly would "drown" himself in thoughts
> >> > such as "it is not worth it," "....it is too much effort...,' "nobody
> >> > care. i am nobody", " or "this is too overwhelming"...."life will
> >> > never get better what's the point..." etc etc. or just cried.
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> >> > SOLUTION: He bought a 9mm semi-automatic pistol but didn't buy any
> >> > bullets and damaged the barrel so it wouldn't work without a
> >> > replacement. Each morning he would reach under his bed, point the
> >> > defective 9mm to his temple, think about killing himself and slowly
> >> > apply pressure to the trigger. When he heard the click from the empty
> >> > chamber, he forced himself to imagine that he was dead and contemplate
> >> > the worthless of his life and how his death did not matter to the
> >> > people in the world around him--his insignificance. He would engage
> >> > in this "self-therapy" each more for about 30 minutes. If he got
> >> > depressed or was depressed, he would force himself to deliberately
> >> > embrace and repeat these negative thoughts. Then he would force
> >> > himself to state the direct opposite of this negative statements for
> >> > the next 30-min but still occasionally think about the negatives. He
> >> > then would get out of bed (when it worked), embrace these negative and
> >> > positive thoughts and spend the rest to the day distracting himself
> >> > with life. He claims that he also frequently felt overwhelmed with
> >> > negative feelings so in order to learn to embrace these out of control
> >> > overwhelming feelings, he would hold his breath and just accept that
> >> > he was going to die by suffocation and kept holding his breath and
> >> > accepting his death until he passed out (and he always woke up). He
> >> > used this as an analogy for his strategy for his negative emotions and
> >> > reported that it helped. These techniques did not always work, but he
> >> > claimed that it was the best self-treatment that he came across so far
> >> > that worked for him. And he still relied on some (albeit less)
> >> > medications.
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> >> > That is was just the oddest story from a mental health patient.
> >> > However, he seemed to work for him so who am I to criticize. When
> >> > Jeff was talking about unconventional mental health approaches, it
> >> > reminded me of this patient.
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> >> > Jason
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