LOL. I would be a very, very dangerous psychologist. I am sure to delude myself into thinking I know something about everything. No, I shall not choose the ring Frodo, but will diminish and fade, to remain only Galadriel.
Yes, I am listening to heaviest metal I can find with a Sith on one shoulder and Jedi on the other:) On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi y'all - she's saving it for me - Marvin the miserable robot. > > On Dec 23, 9:22 am, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm not shrinking anything on you buddy:) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > *I want Spring to be my shrink!* > > > ** > > > *J.* > > > > > This is similar to walking across the bridge you want to jump off > > > of everyday to stare into the water and become familiar with the > location as > > > a place to fight your demons. You survive that hard place, and really > there > > > isn't anywhere but up after that. He visited his bridge with with a > bungee > > > cord (disabled gun), therefore taking the full potential away... > Disarming > > > the warhead. I can't understand how this could work with truly > chemically > > > fucked people because they forget thier bungee cord. Case by case eh? > I'm > > > for it - it can work. > > > > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Liz Purkrabek < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> I would also add that the method used was steeped in personal > importance > > >> and > > >> symbolism, and the method's effectiveness may reflect that. Other > people > > >> volunteering to participate in a study relating to this one man's > methods > > >> may likely find that the method is essentially useless to the > volunteer > > >> unless the gun and particular thoughts and actions taken were also > > >> significant to them in similar ways. That would certainly be > difficult to > > >> ascertain. > > > > >> I am somewhat skeptical of the long term effectiveness of his method > for > > >> dealing with depression, but I realize I must be careful not to let my > own > > >> struggles intrude upon my objectivity toward another person's. I > can't > > >> imagine that any ritual or thought process would have changed the way > I > > >> felt > > >> physically and mentally when I was at my worst. If it were possible, > I > > >> would have done it. I tried everything I could think of and many > things I > > >> didn't. > > > > >> Liz > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] > > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Jason > > >> (Memphis) > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:03 PM > > >> To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > >> Subject: Re: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression > > > > >> The problem is that if this treatment is very effective even more so > > >> than any other treatment : 1) it would be hard to get it through a > > >> human rights/ethics review board to run the experiment; 2) it would > > >> also be hard to recruit participants once you described the treatment > > >> to them and 3) once you got participants, attrition (drop out) rates > > >> would likely be high because the treatment is inherently aversive and > > >> troubling to the individual and society at large. > > > > >> On Dec 21, 3:33 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > That's great if it worked for the guy. > > > > >> > Liz > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: [email protected] > > > > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Jason > > >> > (Memphis) > > >> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:58 PM > > >> > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > >> > Subject: Unconventional Approach to Coping with Depression > > > > >> > Here is a story of an unconventional approach to dealing with > > >> > depression. This is a adult diagnosed with bi-polar from > California. > > >> > I don't know the long-term consequences (that is, decades) but this > > >> > person claimed that it worked for a least the few years that I knew > > >> > him. > > > > >> > This is his approach. > > > > >> > PROBLEM: He had a problem getting out of bed in the morning and had > > >> > frequent "comfortably numb spells," which eventually led to a job > loss > > >> > and other issues that accompanied the job loss especially > relationship > > >> > (martial and divorce) challenges. That is not atypical for mental > > >> > health patients. So the following "solution" is his unproven, > > >> > extreme, unconventional approach that worked for him as far as > getting > > >> > himself back into his life. He thought his problem was that he > lacked > > >> > energy each morning to get out bed and contemplated suicide on a > > >> > number of occasions. He allegedly would "drown" himself in thoughts > > >> > such as "it is not worth it," "....it is too much effort...,' > "nobody > > >> > care. i am nobody", " or "this is too overwhelming"...."life will > > >> > never get better what's the point..." etc etc. or just cried. > > > > >> > SOLUTION: He bought a 9mm semi-automatic pistol but didn't buy any > > >> > bullets and damaged the barrel so it wouldn't work without a > > >> > replacement. Each morning he would reach under his bed, point the > > >> > defective 9mm to his temple, think about killing himself and slowly > > >> > apply pressure to the trigger. When he heard the click from the > empty > > >> > chamber, he forced himself to imagine that he was dead and > contemplate > > >> > the worthless of his life and how his death did not matter to the > > >> > people in the world around him--his insignificance. He would engage > > >> > in this "self-therapy" each more for about 30 minutes. If he got > > >> > depressed or was depressed, he would force himself to deliberately > > >> > embrace and repeat these negative thoughts. Then he would force > > >> > himself to state the direct opposite of this negative statements for > > >> > the next 30-min but still occasionally think about the negatives. > He > > >> > then would get out of bed (when it worked), embrace these negative > and > > >> > positive thoughts and spend the rest to the day distracting himself > > >> > with life. He claims that he also frequently felt overwhelmed with > > >> > negative feelings so in order to learn to embrace these out of > control > > >> > overwhelming feelings, he would hold his breath and just accept that > > >> > he was going to die by suffocation and kept holding his breath and > > >> > accepting his death until he passed out (and he always woke up). He > > >> > used this as an analogy for his strategy for his negative emotions > and > > >> > reported that it helped. These techniques did not always work, but > he > > >> > claimed that it was the best self-treatment that he came across so > far > > >> > that worked for him. And he still relied on some (albeit less) > > >> > medications. > > > > >> > That is was just the oddest story from a mental health patient. > > >> > However, he seemed to work for him so who am I to criticize. When > > >> > Jeff was talking about unconventional mental health approaches, it > > >> > reminded me of this patient. > > > > >> > Jason > > > > > -- > > > gnothe se auton > > > > -- > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- gnothe se auton --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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