Depends on force used, tools, and area of application.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:46 AM, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:

> sadist!
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi y'all - I suppose one could think of an evolutionary benefit to
>> cruelty. If one needed food to survive, cruelty could be used to
>> acquire it in the form of torture. This being the case we have some
>> innate cruelty. This begs the question that if Crossbow were to spank
>> Isparklaria, would that be a form of cruelty? I would submit not, if
>> Isparklaria enjoyed it!
>>
>> On Dec 24, 9:22 am, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > So it would be predatory and hierarchical in those respects? does that
>> mean
>> > it's rooted in our evolution?  "Artificial Schism" sounds very true and
>> it
>> > it is a construct as you say.  I agree that it could only be cathartic
>> to a
>> > psychopath..
>> >
>> > Is Cruelty built on an innate an evolutionary tool gone wrong..misused?
>> a
>> > Machiavellian tool.
>> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]
>> >wrote:
>>  >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Good Questions CrossBow. I'll take a stab (cruel?) at a few.
>> >
>> > > I don't don't see how cruelity can be cathartic. No doubt catharsis
>> > > can lead to violence, but I would would not consider that cruel. I
>> > > think of cruelity as the use of violence, threats of violence, verbal
>> > > abuse and other tactics inorder to inflict pain on others for the
>> > > purpose of dominating them or even eliminatig them.
>> >
>> > > Fundamentalist Christianity has an odd relationship with violence. I
>> > > think the root of the problem is the artificial schism between good
>> > > and evil it attempts to impose on believers. The cruelity of the
>> > > crucifiction is supposed to be the just wrath of an all good god, a
>> > > wrath that we supposedly deserved. Many Christians, who accept this
>> > > atonement feel so guilty because poor little Jesus suffered in their
>> > > place. They  cannot bear this guilt, so they blame others such as the
>> > > Jews, homos, atheists or any one else that's convienient. Soon they
>> > > think that they have the right to kill these "sinners". After all,
>> > > isn't that what their all powerful, all good god would want them to
>> > > do? Until they are ready to accept the fact that the god of the bible
>> > > is a lunatic monster, they will not be able to deal with non believers
>> > > in a loving way.
>> >
>> > > On Dec 23, 2:40 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > What is cruelty? Is it predatory, hierarchical, cathartic,
>> galvanizing -
>> > > the
>> > > > result of frustration?  All those things?
>> >
>> > > > It is not odd that Christianity glorifies in the cruelty at the
>> > > > crucifiction.  It seems to be necessary...why?
>> >
>> > > > "cruelty is fed, not weakened by tears?"
>> >
>> > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Isparklaria <
>> [email protected]
>> > > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > I think that at the present time the below is true. I don't think
>> it
>> > > > > is true of primatives, though they are far from perfect. However,
>> > > > > primatives and their societies are far less cruel that we are. I
>> > > > > believe that it is possible to improve the situation even though I
>> > > > > don't think that anyone knows how to improve it at this time,
>> > > > > including me. It may be that no formula or scheme will work, but
>> > > > > things will change through natural selection.
>> >
>> > > > > "Man is a cruel animal," he wrote to a friend. "His cruelty must
>> be
>> > > > > organized. Society is essentially criminal,—or it wouldn't exist.
>> It
>> > > > > is selfishness that saves everything,—absolutely everything, --
>> > > > > everything that we abhor, everything that we love."
>> >
>> > > > > Conrad rejected all formulas or schemes for the moral improvement
>> of
>> > > > > the human condition. Political institutions, he said, "whether
>> > > > > contrived by the wisdom of the few or the ignorance of the many,
>> are
>> > > > > incapable of securing the happiness of mankind."
>> >
>> > > > > On Dec 23, 12:03 pm, Clogtowner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > > Hi y'all - yes, check the inventories at your local gun store.
>> When
>> > > > > > they are low you know that we are close to the "every man for
>> > > himself"
>> > > > > > phase.
>> >
>> > > > > > On Dec 23, 11:07 am, "Jason (Memphis)" <
>> [email protected]>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > Here is an interesting article.  It reminds me of the
>> introduction
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > "history of western philosophy" by bertrand russell when he
>> talks
>> > > > > > > about the social fabric of law and order quickly collapsing
>> and the
>> > > > > > > ensuing chaos including horror tales from failed Greek city
>> states.
>> >
>> > >
>> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081221_man_is_a_cruel_animal/-H...-
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