I agree that there is killing among savages. However, there are some significant differences among savages and civilized people. One of these is that the average joe in the civilized world is, as you noted, quickly turned into a killer through military training. The individual's conscience is perverted to commit murder to fight against communism, capitalism, infidels, Muslims or whatever. Almost always the leaders are stirring up the masses to fight for such a cause while the leaders are benefiting personally by gaining power and money. With their citizen’s (subjects really even in democracies) minds overwhelmed by emotions they are ready to commit horrible crimes including the murder of non-involved civilians, rape of women (perhaps even men), ineffective torture for no reason (torture almost never works to extract useful information).
In effect the people in the civilized world don’t do enough of their own thinking and feeling. They are manipulated by certain types of religion and culture that do not exist among the primitives. Not that the primitives do enough of their own thinking and feeling either, it’s just that no power elite can manipulate them to the same degree. The result is that they are far more democratic in their approach to decisions, because even though they don’t vote they all have close to equal influence. No elite group stands to benefit from endless wars, which is the story of civilization, thus far. On the other hand I do not think that that going back to a primitive culture is the way. Instead, "WE THE PEOPLE" must take control of our nation and must help "WE THE PEOPLE" in other democracies to take control. It is our nation, we own all of the federal land, water, airwaves etc. The military is ours as well. If we do not take our nation back soon, we will go the way that every other Empire has in the past. We are currently a host for international corporations that act patriotic, but don't give a damn about us. We have let them take control because we value owning stuff over liberty so we work our butt's off to have huge houses and two or three suvs. If we only spent five hours a week holding our leaders in check; they are supposed to be our servents! Instead we have to our army to kill in order to please our corporate masters. We kill in the name of freedom, while only a marginalized few stand up to the tyranny at home. Many are happy to have their mail read and their phones tapped. Instead we should be listening into our leaders to prevent them from selling us out. THen there would be less cruelity in this world, less but still plenty. On Dec 24, 9:33 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]> wrote: > Civilized people are just more systematic about killing and train > professional assassins to do their bidding. If I recall correctly, > anthropologists who lived among the savages for years often did not > witness many acts of murder or violence but the villagers did report > murders over spouses, resources, etc. Many of the savages new someone > who was murdered. > > On Dec 24, 10:26 pm, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's funny that although apes may kill apes from other groups, humans > > living in primitive societies do not automatically do so. Additionally > > violence and cruelity is far less commong among "savages" then among > > civilized men. > > > On Dec 24, 4:17 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > This civilization experiment will be interesting. For a large part > > > of our history, we warred with other primate troops, that is, > > > strangers. I don't think that it was uncommon to do two things upon > > > see a strangers: 1) kill him or 2) hid from him. Now stranger in the > > > human primate don't feel the urge to kill other stranger and sometime > > > even off to buy them a beer. I've witnessed it. I think that is it > > > is amazing that we've become sp civilized as human primates so > > > quickly. Only in parts of Africa (occasionally in other parts of the > > > world) do some primate human troops exterminate members of other > > > tribes--and that is often only in war time. Plus, many humans only > > > want to kill other soldiers and actually don't like killing > > > civilians. I remember Amercians attacking Germany and the mass > > > extermination of German non-combat civil including children was > > > celebrated with delightful, bloody exuberance. > > > > On Dec 24, 4:16 pm, Morpheal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Jason (Memphis) wrote: > > > > > Here is an interesting article. It reminds me of the introduction of > > > > > "history of western philosophy" by bertrand russell when he talks > > > > > about the social fabric of law and order quickly collapsing and the > > > > > ensuing chaos including horror tales from failed Greek city states. > > > > > >http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081221_man_is_a_cruel_animal/ > > > > > I think you have to recognize that three months of military basic > > > > training cannot > > > > and does not serve adequately to produce a killer out of a civilized > > > > human > > > > being. In war time 3 months is sometimes considered a luxury and six > > > > weeks > > > > is all that inductees actually get. > > > > > The veneer of civilization is consistently and meticulously kept > > > > thinner > > > > than you think it is, simply so that that basic training will suffice > > > > to make > > > > a trained killer out of nearly anyone in a society, for the purposes > > > > of war. > > > > > That begins with the cradle and continues until the grave. > > > > > You have to radically change all of the world community, of society in > > > > the largest > > > > sense of that, if you want to truly civilize human beings. On the > > > > other hand > > > > i am not really certain that is such a good idea. Those aliens who are > > > > watching > > > > us from outer space, and visiting now and again, are all warlike and > > > > hostile. > > > > They want to compete too, for the whole universe and are just itching > > > > to > > > > have a nice war, testing out the killer instincts of humans ??? > > > > Might be > > > > Heinlein was essentially right, and what then ? > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > Robert Morpheal- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/memphisfreethoughtalliance?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
