Hi y'all - I've sent a copy of this to Dick Cheney.
On Dec 25, 9:00 am, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree that there is killing among savages. However, there are some
> significant differences among savages and civilized people. One of
> these is that the average joe in the civilized world is, as you noted,
> quickly turned into a killer through military training. The
> individual's conscience is perverted to commit murder to fight against
> communism, capitalism, infidels, Muslims or whatever. Almost always
> the leaders are stirring up the masses to fight for such a cause while
> the leaders are benefiting personally by gaining power and money. With
> their citizen’s (subjects really even in democracies) minds
> overwhelmed by emotions they are ready to commit horrible crimes
> including the murder of non-involved civilians, rape of women (perhaps
> even men), ineffective torture for no reason (torture almost never
> works to extract useful information).
>
> In effect the people in the civilized world don’t do enough of their
> own thinking and feeling. They are manipulated by certain types of
> religion and culture that do not exist among the primitives. Not that
> the primitives do enough of their own thinking and feeling either,
> it’s just that no power elite can manipulate them to the same degree.
> The result is that they are far more democratic in their approach to
> decisions, because even though they don’t vote they all have close to
> equal influence. No elite group stands to benefit from endless wars,
> which is the story of civilization, thus far. On the other hand I do
> not think that that going back to a primitive culture is the way.
> Instead, "WE THE PEOPLE" must take control of our nation and must help
> "WE THE PEOPLE" in other democracies to take control. It is our
> nation, we own all of the federal land, water, airwaves etc. The
> military is ours as well. If we do not take our nation back soon, we
> will go the way that every other Empire has in the past.
>
> We are currently a host for international corporations that act
> patriotic, but don't give a damn about us. We have let them take
> control because we value owning stuff over liberty so we work our
> butt's off to have huge houses and two or three suvs. If we only spent
> five hours a week holding our leaders in check; they are supposed to
> be our servents! Instead we have to our army to kill in order to
> please our corporate masters. We kill in the name of freedom, while
> only a marginalized few stand up to the tyranny at home. Many are
> happy to have their mail read and their phones tapped. Instead we
> should be listening into our leaders to prevent them from selling us
> out. THen there would be less cruelity in this world, less but still
> plenty.
>
> On Dec 24, 9:33 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Civilized people are just more systematic about killing and train
> > professional assassins to do their bidding. If I recall correctly,
> > anthropologists who lived among the savages for years often did not
> > witness many acts of murder or violence but the villagers did report
> > murders over spouses, resources, etc. Many of the savages new someone
> > who was murdered.
>
> > On Dec 24, 10:26 pm, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > It's funny that although apes may kill apes from other groups, humans
> > > living in primitive societies do not automatically do so. Additionally
> > > violence and cruelity is far less commong among "savages" then among
> > > civilized men.
>
> > > On Dec 24, 4:17 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > This civilization experiment will be interesting. For a large part
> > > > of our history, we warred with other primate troops, that is,
> > > > strangers. I don't think that it was uncommon to do two things upon
> > > > see a strangers: 1) kill him or 2) hid from him. Now stranger in the
> > > > human primate don't feel the urge to kill other stranger and sometime
> > > > even off to buy them a beer. I've witnessed it. I think that is it
> > > > is amazing that we've become sp civilized as human primates so
> > > > quickly. Only in parts of Africa (occasionally in other parts of the
> > > > world) do some primate human troops exterminate members of other
> > > > tribes--and that is often only in war time. Plus, many humans only
> > > > want to kill other soldiers and actually don't like killing
> > > > civilians. I remember Amercians attacking Germany and the mass
> > > > extermination of German non-combat civil including children was
> > > > celebrated with delightful, bloody exuberance.
>
> > > > On Dec 24, 4:16 pm, Morpheal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Jason (Memphis) wrote:
> > > > > > Here is an interesting article. It reminds me of the introduction
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > "history of western philosophy" by bertrand russell when he talks
> > > > > > about the social fabric of law and order quickly collapsing and the
> > > > > > ensuing chaos including horror tales from failed Greek city states.
>
> > > > > >http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081221_man_is_a_cruel_animal/
>
> > > > > I think you have to recognize that three months of military basic
> > > > > training cannot
> > > > > and does not serve adequately to produce a killer out of a civilized
> > > > > human
> > > > > being. In war time 3 months is sometimes considered a luxury and six
> > > > > weeks
> > > > > is all that inductees actually get.
>
> > > > > The veneer of civilization is consistently and meticulously kept
> > > > > thinner
> > > > > than you think it is, simply so that that basic training will suffice
> > > > > to make
> > > > > a trained killer out of nearly anyone in a society, for the purposes
> > > > > of war.
>
> > > > > That begins with the cradle and continues until the grave.
>
> > > > > You have to radically change all of the world community, of society in
> > > > > the largest
> > > > > sense of that, if you want to truly civilize human beings. On the
> > > > > other hand
> > > > > i am not really certain that is such a good idea. Those aliens who are
> > > > > watching
> > > > > us from outer space, and visiting now and again, are all warlike and
> > > > > hostile.
> > > > > They want to compete too, for the whole universe and are just itching
> > > > > to
> > > > > have a nice war, testing out the killer instincts of humans ???
> > > > > Might be
> > > > > Heinlein was essentially right, and what then ?
>
> > > > > Cheers.
>
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