he's some kind of australian revisionist who believe in just killing everyone who disagrees with him. i didn't know that such people still existed. frightening.
if a sovereign nation has policies that you don't agree with, just burn and kill them until they comply. maybe that is how they do it in sydney and tel aviv, but i'd like to think the average american finds this outlook as shocking as i do. On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The US Civil War was about more than slavery. At that time the main > federal > tax was import duties. The south, having little ability to manufacture > goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north > made > a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports. Lincoln's > emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in > the > south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were > not > effected. The primary result was to push back open support for the south > in > Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave. Practically speaking, slavery > was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in a > just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one > factor. The south believed that they because they joined the union > voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to. The constitution was > silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union would > continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the > precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he > went to war to keep the union intact. By any measure, it was the worst war > in US history. One wonders how the history of the world would be different > if the south had been allowed to secede. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 03:05 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up > inCuba? > > Yeah I know that 'rule of law' thing is a bummer, especially when the US > has to set up a concentration camp in Cuba (of all places, perhaps they > put it on an old disused missile site) and then kidnap people from all > over the world and torture them there. > Apparently a couple of Oz citizens where 'invited' there as well. Of > course the British being cultured and having a rule of law, made a big > noise about their citizens being there and I suppose have a bit of clout > in Washington and their people got let go pretty quick. Now we are a bit > more laid back and trusting I suppose and believed that the people being > held in the camp where big terrorists and this was all part of winning > the war on terror. However our patience did grow a bit thin after a > while (years) and the former PM had an election coming up and finally > worked up the courage to ask George if it would be possible to do > something about the guests of the US of A (ooh sorry that should be > guests of the socialist republic of Cuba) (oooh double sorry that should > be guests of the US military). All of a sudden a secret trial/military > tribunal was organized and the person in question got released into Oz > custody to do a few more months in the local jail and is not allowed to > talk about any of this to anyone, otherwise we might have to let the US > kidnap him again. > > Anyway if the South didn't want a war, all they had to do was to act > civilized and abolish slavery. Now you might be OK with some states of > the Union stealing people from Africa and forcing them to work for > nothing and thereby denying them their basic human rights (apparently > there is something about the rights of people in the constitution) but > apparently the southern states did not read the constitution or felt it > did not apply to them in that regard. > My guess is that Lincoln felt the south was governed by people who went > against the constitution and as such the war was justified in his view. > Perhaps Lincoln really believed that America was the land of the free, > as opposed to having underclasses of people with lesser rights. > > Now as far as that Holocaust denier goes, for one thing he was warned > that if he didn't stop his stuff he would have the book thrown at him. > He was well aware that he was violating German law and that the British > where not going to hide him. > Now are you going to maintain your stance that he was kidnapped or was > he legally extradited? > My take is that he is an embarrassment to the Australian nation and as > long as everything is legal (including the right to a fair trial in an > timely manner) they can stick him in jail for as long as they want and I > don't think anyone in Oz will even care. He is an idiot saying stupid > things to stir up trouble or whatever his plans are, whilst saying > stupid things is not against the law here, it is in Germany. > > Hendrik > who is off to do some domestic chores because we don't have no servants, > paid or not > > Gary Hurst wrote: > > we have something in this country called "rule of law" (as opposed to > your > > country where you let foreign nations kidnap your citizens because they > say > > things that offend the german government). states are sovereign entities > > here that enter into a voluntary union with other states. the > traditional > > understanding is that these states can leave the union just as they > entered > > it. > > > > a young man joins a gang and then realizes that the gang is not really > the > > best course of action. so he leaves the gangs, only to be hunted down > and > > murdered by other members for leaving. when we hear a story like this, > we > > recoil in horror at this behavior as it violates so many of our ideals > > regarding law and morality. it is barbarism and it is unacceptable. > > > > yet, when a president engages in such a deranged murderous orgy on a > large > > scale, we declare him a national hero rather than denounce him as the > sick > > rogue he is. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
