this is exactly my point. it is not all volunteers in all branches. some are legitimate military personnel. many are welfare collectors propping up the war business.
you can't supply soldiers without them being their. you can't justify their being there without "wars" and "dangers". if we cut them loose, the world would be a safer place. you honestly feared being invaded and occupied by iraq? what threat did they pose to you? if there was a legitimate threat, why were you told a bunch of lies to justify the war rather than being told the real threat to you and your country? individual and collective heroism does exist, but let's not let this confuse us as to what the massive standing army is really about. it is about rich guys getting richer it is about parking kids too dumb even for our colleges as we have nothing constructive for them to do it is about scaring the beegezuz out of anyone thinking about no longer taking dollars for oil the war machine does not exist to make you me or anyone else free. it does not exist to protect anyone. it contains heroes, but is not about them. your son may just be a hero. his commitment may save lives. i salute him. and i suggest to you that after he has spent a year or so being a hero, you ask him if there is not truth to what i'm saying about the war machine. he will have seen it first hand and he will admit it to you, as has nearly every "serious" soldier, sailor or marine i have ever spoken to. my kid's shrink grew up on a marine base around wilmington, NC during the vietnam war. he says they universally knew that the entire war and the entire military industrial complex was a load of crap selling a bill of goods to the incredibly stupid and naive. like old kind solomon said, man, ain't nuthin new under the son. the only thing the changes are the carneys and the marks On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well said! but it is not just the USCG. It is all branches. > > > > Gary: >> >> Don't Immanentize the eschaton! >> >> In the not-quite-perfect world in which I reside, Our military is an >> important protection against the dangers of the real world. Our volunteer >> military will not accept those who do not have normal or better >> intelligence. No doubt our country's leaders do not always wield the >> power >> of our military in an intelligent and productive manner; but we are a lot >> better off with them than we would be without them. >> >> One of my sons just completed USCG basic training. Even after winnowing >> the >> applicants with testing, background checks and physical exams; nearly 10% >> of >> the class couldn't cut it. I have worked closely with our local USCG unit >> in Portland OR, and was seconded to that unit for 90 days a few years ago. >> I had the privilege of working with some of the most dedicated and >> competent >> individuals I have ever met. >> >> Browse the net and take a look at the work of some of the USCG SAR and >> rescue swimmer units (to take two examples out of thousands) and tell me >> again that you think these guardian-heroes are "retarded kids" in "the >> welfare line". >> >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >> ] >> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst >> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:36 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Military as welfare. >> >> our modern volunteer standing army is just another welfare line. it is >> jsut >> another place to house those retarded kids we are systematically producing >> in droves. >> >> on this list the american imperialism and war profiteering is what makes >> me >> free. i disagree not only that this could possibly make us free but also >> with the notion that this is any longer a particularly free country. as >> long as the american people continue to capitulate to tyranny, we will >> become less and less free. no number of innocent iraqis tortured or >> murdered for fun and profit is going to change that. only active mass >> resistance to the civil authorities can change that, not mass murder. >> >> now i will be encouraged to move to albania for dissent. only thing is >> that >> this is my country too even if pitiful fools try to make it into a >> totalitarian plutocracy and think they are doing god's work in the >> process. >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> LarryT wrote: >>> > Ditto - >>> >>> I'm not moderator here, but c'mon guys. >>> You can't just read the party line. >>> Can the party line ever be wrong or bad? >>> If so, shouldn't we hear about it or reason further? >>> I have no real opinion about the issue, but I think that there could >>> be some rationale that could be elucidating to discuss, if it were not >>> so inflammatory. 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