I have done many other things on my cars and I always enjoy the learning that takes place. I have little knowledge or experience with the injection pump and no one close by that could help me get through it the first time. I am learning more as we go from my mechanic and this forum. I will probably try it myself if I get the opportunity again. Thanks, Mike
Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 PM, WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > That's why were all here listening and chiming in occasionally. 'Always > enjoy learning, thank you. ;<) > > Wilton > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Canfield" <slozuk...@gmail.com> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle. > > > Hey Mike, > Sounds like you are learning a valuable lesson that all of us that don't > know should.........With a 30 year old German car you are much better off > just learning to do the job yourself. Not trying to rub it in or anything > like that. Just hoping other lurkers may learn from your/our experiences > as a group. > > Thanks for posting, > > Mike > On Jul 1, 2013 11:29 PM, "Mike Esh" <michael...@mac.com> wrote: > >> Update - I changed the injectors and there was no change. >> Installed new/used/unmolested ALDA, it actually runs a little worse. >> I drove it today about 20 miles on the highway. It started very hard and >> would not not stay running without pushing the accelerator to the floor >> until it started to gain rpm's. Once on the road it continued to smoke and >> top speed was 60 mph with very low power. >> Tomorrow I will pop the valve cover and check the timing using the >> "non-drip" method. >> >> Michael E. Esh >> 231-286-2344 >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Since this problem started with the installation of another IP, and >> >> persists with a second IP, I would be very suspicious of the >> installer >> >> - >> >> doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result! Now, it is >> >> possible that you have two defective IPs, I've had that with >> >> >> alternators >> >> from FLAPS, but used Bosch IPs don't usually give that kind of trouble. >> I >> >> like the suggestion of checking the timing with the drip tube! >> >> >> >> THe ALDA, injectors, etc. did not "go bad" just when you changed the >> IP. It >> >> about has to be IP timing. >> > >> > Agreed Listen to OK Don. >> > >> > You don't have to go through the brain damage of drip tube timing. Just >> take off the valve cover and the #1 injection line. turn the engine over >> slowly (in the operating direction, CW facing the front of the engine.) >> and watch the cam lopes on #1. Exhaust is at the front of the engine, and >> #1 intake is the second lobe. After the intake lobe pushed the intake >> valve open and then lets it close, clear the fuel out of the taperec part >> of the top of the DV union on the top of the IP. You can blow this out >> with a soda straw, or soak it up with a paper towel. then turn the engine >> verrrry slooooowly until you see fuel start to rise in the small part of >> the DV union. This IS the beginning of delivery. Now read the cranshaft >> damper degree wheel at the pointer. It should be the setting for start of >> delivery or a couple of degrees late. If you don't get fuel, and you >> continue to turn the engine over until the exhaust valve opens and fuel is >> delivered about the time the exhaust valve closes, your IP is 360º out of >> time on the crank, or 180º out of time on the IP shaft. >> > >> > While this method is not 100% accurate for timing the IP, it WILL tell >> you if you are in the ballpark. I repeat it several times, because each >> time I can get closer to the actual start of injection. I used this method >> for timing OM 621s for years and I could get it within 1/2 degree of drip >> tube timing without all the hassle, or the danger of introducing dirt in >> the IP when you remove the DV for the trip tube timing by the book. >> > >> > If your timing is within 5 or even 10 degrees, you won't get the >> symptoms you describe. These engines are pretty forgiving. If timing is >> the issue, it was to be WAY out to get those symptoms. >> > >> > THat is why I asked a couple weeks ago how many times has this guy >> successfully changed IPs. It is a relevant question even if it makes you >> uncomfortable. >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
