+1 on the w115 manual clay
On Dec 23, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: > i've owned like 20 mercedes cars and i only miss 2: > > w123 diesel wagon > w115 diesel, 4 on the floor > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > <astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> It is constructive. Do not overly improve something when it is functioning >> as intended, or you will burn a big hole in your pocket! I learned this >> the hard way. >> >> AS >> 1983 300TD >> 1983 300TD >> Each charming in its own way, though not perfect. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM, <r...@rhonald.me> wrote: >> >>> >>> I will respond below: >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other >>> suspension stuff >>> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> >>> Date: Sun, December 22, 2013 10:52 am >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> >>> The word I use is perfectify. >>> >>> *Andrew, I would appreciate more constructive advice, since you own the >>> same car, do you really think this is "fun for me"?.* >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Canfield <slozuk...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> If Martha wouldn't replace it then it doesn't need done.........lol >>>> >>>> *Martha is not driving my car, I am.* >>> >>> I didn't catch the part about still sitting level. >>> >>> *I was saying, the car sits level as compared with any other car.* >>> >>> Sure does seem like a >>>> lot of work for "it's old, it might go bad, new is better". >>> >>> *I think you missed my point. The point was...if one is installing A, >> and >>> B &C (rubber parts or other little parts) sit next to it, given the >>> mileage, does it make sense to replace C, rather than incurr the same >>> (labor cost/time wasted to drive out to the shop) to go back to the same >>> area to swap out (c)?* * I have been reading how rubber parts deform, >>> crack, etc. If I have to spend for labor, I want to make the most of >> it.* >>> >>> The whole car is a collection of used parts, why pick out ones that >>> aren't broken to >>>> upgrade to new? >>> >>> *See above...* >>> >>> >>> >>> / It'll be ok, make it drive nice and be safe and call it >>>> good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the motto around here. >>>> Mike >>> >>> That is what I am after Mike, I am not attempting to "restore" the entire >>> car. >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2013 9:51 AM, "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would agree, as even my level of nit-pickyness wouldn't mandate >>>>> replacing adjusting bolts unless they were coming out for another >> job. >>> >>> *Dan, that is one of the questions I have been trying get answers >>> to, if something else was coming out for another job, wouldn't it make >>> sense to do it then? I also also asked, how would you tell from driving >>> about the bolts?* >>>>> >>>>> I see a lot of the work specified here as being near overkill. How >>> leaky >>>>> are the rear struts? >>> >>> I assumed they leak bad enough because the ride sucks at this >>> point. >>> >>> Is the rear suspension clunking? >>> >>> Banging and Thumping >>> >>> If the >>>>> self-leveling system is working properly and not bottoming out under >>> load >>>>> or driving conditions, there is nothing that would indicate >> replacement >>>> of the major components. >>> >>> *Well, something needs doing, as I say it rides like a skateboard; Who' >> is >>> around the DC,VA,MD area? I would be happy to drive somewhere so you can >>> here and feel what I am talking about. * >>> >>> I would add that a number of people have >>>>> successfully rebuilt leaky rear struts as well. >>> >>> *Well, I don't engage in DIY on the car, so rebuilding leaky struts is >> not >>> happening I guess. * >>> >>>>> I wonder about the amount of work going into a car of that age. You >>> have >>>>> to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really necessary. >>> >>> *I hear what you are saying, but what I see as "necessary" is different >>> from the next guy. Not sure what "bottoming out means, but the ride is >>> harsh, almost "BANG, THUMP" when riding over bumps and rough pavement. >> I >>> don't like driving cars where the suspension feels like it is holding >>> together by rubber bands! I have loaded it with chairs, tables and >> boxes >>> and I did not notice that it sagged in the rear. Would this suggest that >>> the leveling is working properly? I drove to Baltimore, and to >> Kensington, >>> MD and it was fine as far as handling. I had suspension work done (4 >>> shocks, and ball joints/bushings on the black sedan, and it made a world >> of >>> difference in the ride.* >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking someone's mechanic is looking to buy a new boat.... >>> >>>>> Dan >>> >>>>> *I have no control over that decision, but it is really none of my >>> business. That is neither here nor there. The car needs work, and I >>> don't/can't do it, I am stuck with the car because I paid too much for >> it, >>> the mechanic who worked on it before I got it sucks, and somebody has to >> do >>> its so it looks like I don't have a choice in the matter.* >>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Replacing the rear control arms for play? What? That sounds >>>> ridiculous. >>>>>> Why wouldn't you replace just loose bushings? >>> *OK, it is the bearings, and I am just telling you what have on my notes >>> from the shop. These would be rear control arm bushings? But there no >>> mention there is a problem with them.* >>> >>>>>> Replace camber adjusting bolts? Unless the car is so rusty they >> won't >>>>> come out without damage there is no need to replace them. They don't >>> wear >>>>> out. >>> >>> OK >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know your mechanic but it sounds like he saw you coming and >>> is >>>>>> taking advantage of your lack of expertise on the subject. >>> >>> *No, you don't know them so please refrain from passing so much >> judgement, >>> where are you located, would look my car over?* >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else catch that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2013 6:56 PM, <r...@rhonald.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self >>>> leveling >>>>>>> shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear. The car is still >> perfectly >>>>> level >>>>>>> even when loaded. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. While the car is up, the shop says the castor adjustors have >> wear >>>>>>> (small). Does it make sense to do this now? From what I have seen, >>>> it >>>>>>> relates to the front end alignment. I am getting confused looking >> at >>>>>>> parts. Is this what I need x 2? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * 1163300018 * >>>>>>> <http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/1163300018.jpg> >>>> Genuine >>>>>>> Mercedes <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> >>>>>>> Alignment Caster/Camber Kit; Front Lower Inner; Eccentric Bolt Kit >>>>>>> 2 kits per car. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Deciding whether to have the ball joints done at the same time >>>>> though >>>>>>> there is no inspection reports of wear noted and the car does not >>>>> present >>>>>>> any tracking issues. Is it possible to check anything when it is >> not >>>> on >>>>>>> the lift? Two boots and two boot kits, correct? Just wanting to >> get >>>>>>> everything tight again. The black sedan is all done and it made a >>>>> world of >>>>>>> difference, but...just in time for two huge tree branches to smash >>> the >>>>> top >>>>>>> in the middle. Sighhhh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self >>>>> leveling >>>>>>> suspension in the rear? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * 0021845501 * >>>>>>> <http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0021845501.jpg> >>>> Genuine >>>>>>> Mercedes <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> >>>>>>> Hydraulic Suspension Oil Filter >>>>>>> For models with self-leveling rear suspension. >>>>>>> 4. I have to wait on the Rear Control Arms. Told they have some >>>> play. >>>>>>> Not sure how to feel this when driving. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> R >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines >>>>>>> From: Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:38 pm >>>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also, that's just hte upper hose. the lower hose might just be >>>> available >>>>>>> only in tructec or genuine mercedes, so you might have to get the >>>> lower >>>>>>> one in genuine or just live with the tructec. seems i too have a >>>> special >>>>>>> agreement with monark to sell you those hoses, but i'd probably >> get >>> a >>>>>>> genuine one if i were you if the tructec actually turns out >> chinese >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM, <r...@rhonald.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the >>>> wagon. I >>>>>>>> was price shopping, and came across these. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone had experience with these? The German company? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking for recommendations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>> 85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european >>>> cars* >>>>>>> *www.BuyEUROparts.com <http://www.buyeuroparts.com/> < >>> http://www.BuyEUROparts.com <http://www.buyeuroparts.com/>>* >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > > > *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* > *www.BuyEUROparts.com <http://www.BuyEUROparts.com>* > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
