I ran the 240D on a mix of alot of things, including filtered used ATF (in a mix, not heated, in the summer), but not long enough to conclude anything. Chris
Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's probably why I've never heard it, most any time I've heard it mentioned was just as you stated, a once in a while to clean things up. Generally I just fill my new fuel filter up before with ATF before putting it back on. Though I've heard maybe one or two people talk of running on used ATF, and now if I ever have that opportunity I may rethink it... (: Thanks! Levi (: Marshall Booth wrote: > Levi Smith wrote: > >>This guy doesn't have any sort of injector heaters or anything? >> >>If so, that's great. Most anyone I've heard of in other countries are >>at least using some sort of heat at or near the injector pump. >> >>The Mercedes are about the best there are from what I've heard, but that >>cold oil on cold engines tends to build up from everything I've heard. >>I forget which list it was on, but someone had "official" test results >>from a while ago that pretty much showed that vegoil killed every engine >>they ran it in, just in varying lengths of time depending on the engine. >> However, they weren't heating it at all. >> >>I haven't heard of ATF coking you up though. I've heard that actually >>CLEANS things out, not vice-versa... > > > You need to do a little more research! > > Mercedes has issued a TSB forbidding the use of ATF as a fuel additive. > They tested it extensively and forbade it's use because it causes > injector coking! Used briefly, it may do some other good (it increases > combustion temperature and is an excellent fuel system solvent) and then > normal operation on untreated fuel will usually disperse the minor > coking one application is likely to cause. > > Marshall _______________________________________ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 151K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 212K, "Wulf" -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 04 17:58:15 2006 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.182.188]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQpnC-0005M8-3H for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:58:14 +0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g2so1396540nfe for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tXXoJfsNdXlcRktjrX3r6j6wBB9kadWL/d0OncoyqmedueKU81bwsAxNLTWqdw8CER8N9TNRvAL48dkKtOyylPHdvS/Dn3Qzf7RiRuczEscDe1dys610qAFLIL1yorZvarH8mhIp9D8BOen+CkVEn6mGfJF7ha08yuNI1/q9OEk= Received: by 10.49.10.19 with SMTP id n19mr634472nfi; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.14 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:58:11 -0400 From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] veggie emergency fuel X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:58:15 -0000 I really like Canola oil. In Europe they call it Rapeseed oil. I get it fro= m a local vegetarian restaurant that uses it to cook falafel. When I go to suck it out of their dumpster, it still flows even when it is below freezin= g outside. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/4/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Exactly, you're doing heating. You may not be heating the tank, but you > are at least getting that veg warm before it's injected into your > engine. I've heard of a fair amount of people saying that the single > tank elsbett works well. > > That said, there is the obvious problem as has been stated of it simply > being too cold for vegoil to flow period. > I.e. you certainly aren't going to be using partially hydrogenated oil > at anywhere near freezing... (without a system to heat it before > running on it) Since it is entirely solid by then. > > Levi (: > > dave walton wrote: > > I started running WVO using a single tank Elsbett kit on my S350 at 150= k > > miles. At 180k I replaced the head gasket and a bent rod. Things were a > > little dirty inside, but nothing major. No where near "coking up" the > rings > > or anything like that. I don't quite fit your profile because I only ru= n > > 100% WVO during the summer (> 45F), I thin with kerosene during the > winter, > > and the oil is heated before it hits the injector pump. I switched to > 100% > > last week. This morning the car started a little rough at 35F and took = a > few > > minutes to smooth out. I should have plugged it in overnight. Overall, > my > > results have been good thus far, however I would not recommend this for > > everyone. > > > > -Dave Walton > > 94S350, 99E300 > > > > On 4/4/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I didn't realize at first that this was a 91' However, I still wouldn'= t > >>have guessed that the fuel was being heated. Though I doubt even if it > >>is being heated that it will be to about 180F? > >>If it's heated Somewhat you might get away with it on the Benz. > >> > >>I'm simply referring to posts I've seen on other forums from some guy > >>who swore up and down that the old Benz (like 80-85 300D's) didn't need > >>any heating. He was in Florida, so everything was pretty warm. Well, > >>about 15K miles later he was pissed off cause he had major coking > >>problems and it messed up the rings. > >>Or at least that's more or less what I *think* I read. Feel free to tr= y > >>it yourself and prove me wrong, I'd LOVE to not have to worry about > >>it! (: > >> > >>If you can point me to anyone who has more than say 20K miles and is > >>running STRAIGHT 100% veggie with NO HEATING whatsoever, I'd LOVE to > >>read it! > >> > >>Levi (: > >> > >> > >>Jeff Zedic wrote: > >> > >>>BZZZT wrong....what work will you need to do in 15k?? > >>> > >>>The car will runb fine on veggie oil like that. The OM603 has a fuel > >>>heater built in. > >>> > >>>If you'd like to point us to actual FACTS that would be appreciated! > >>> > >>>Go ahead and throw it in! You'll like it! > >>> > >>> > >>>Jeff Zedic > >>>Toronto > >>>87 300TD > >>> > >>>_______________________________________ > >>>http://www.striplin.net > >>>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________ > >>http://www.striplin.net > >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.striplin.net > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
